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APPLE CIDER SAUCE

H_mood · RCIA Founder

Since this is an alcohol, it doesn't have an pH value.
pH is the degree of dissociation of acids and bases, i.e. how many free
protons or OH are in the watery solution. Alcohols do (mostly?) not dissociate.
Here a link to a data sheet on Isopropyl alcohol.
http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/chemical/pim290.htm

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H2OCleaning wrote:

the results where great i put 2/3 gallon in a 200 gallon mix on a tile roof i worked great very little movement of the chem after spraying it it seems to clean faster than when i used dawn. when i used it on a shingle roof it stuck like glew it was hard to make it run you can lay the mix on very thick on a shingle roof. the roof wasnt cleaned for 20years it was black one coat was all it took i was very impressed

Great News !!!!
Did it leave a Film like NP 9 does when dry, and force you to rinse ?

H2OCleaning · Guest

no not at all ive actually been loveing the results on windows when i use it in my housewash streek free no film

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I have always wondered IF adding a strong surfactant will help with the eventual salt that is rinsed off a roof by the rain ?

Read this article http://www.turfgrasstrends.com/turfgrasstrends/Need+to+Know/Timing-soil-surfactant-applications/ArticleLong/Article/detail/13067

It says they actually ADD surfactants to Golf Courses intentionally.

Very Interesting, how cool would it be to have a roof cleaning additive that helps prevent plant damage ??

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H2OCleaning wrote:

no not at all ive actually been loveing the results on windows when i use it in my housewash streek free no film

Really?? Now that's pretty cool. That saves some time.

Reliable Roof Cleaning Jacksonville FL · Guest

Billy

Are you using a Delavan pump or one of the air pumps? Any problems getting the Apple Lo through the hose?

Thanks.

Charles

H2OCleaning · Guest

im using a air driven yamada with 300ft of 5/8 kuritec with no problem i like the air driven pump because they can be restricted down to almost a mist i dont think you can do that with a 12volt i think it draws to many amp and over works the pump. less flow is easier to control the runoff meaning less chance of hurting a plant and less work for the grounds man i do mostly tile roofs with no gutters and lots and lots of landscape so runoff is my biggest concern

do you mean will the ammonyx Lo slow the pump down yes if you use alot it is thick but if you using a delavan it will probably only decrease how far you can spray by a little if any no big deal the amount and size of your hose will determain how much because that determains how hard the pump is already working

-- Edited by H2OCleaning on Sunday 1st of November 2009 07:49:30 PM

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H2OCleaning wrote:

im using a air driven yamada with 300ft of 5/8 kuritec with no problem i like the air driven pump because they can be restricted down to almost a mist i dont think you can do that with a 12volt i think it draws to many amp and over works the pump. less flow is easier to control the runoff meaning less chance of hurting a plant and less work for the grounds man i do mostly tile roofs with no gutters and lots and lots of landscape so runoff is my biggest concern

You will want to replace those Nylon Elbows soon ?
Nylon will snap and break with no warning.

PVC elbows will be a better choice

I know, it is just experimental, at this point, but that Brass and Nylon should eventually be replaced ?

I have and do use Brass, but we replace it every 3 to 5 months.

H2OCleaning · Guest

thanks ill get some tomorrow id rather replace them now rather than watching 20gallons of mix get dumped on someones lawn

Nov 1, 2009

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

H2OCleaning wrote:

im using a air driven yamada with 300ft of 5/8 kuritec with no problem i like the air driven pump because they can be restricted down to almost a mist i dont think you can do that with a 12volt i think it draws to many amp and over works the pump. less flow is easier to control the runoff meaning less chance of hurting a plant and less work for the grounds man i do mostly tile roofs with no gutters and lots and lots of landscape so runoff is my biggest concern

You will want to replace those Nylon Elbows soon ?
Nylon will snap and break with no warning.

PVC elbows will be a better choice

I know, it is just experimental, at this point, but that Brass and Nylon should eventually be replaced ?

I have and do use Brass, but we replace it every 3 to 5 months.

Been there done that....

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H2OCleaning wrote:

thanks ill get some tomorrow id rather replace them now rather than watching 20gallons of mix get dumped on someones lawn

Some like these ?
http://www.fishtanksdirect.com/browseproducts/Schedule-40-PVC-Straight-Insert-Adapters-1-2--MPT-x-5-8--Hose-Barb.html

These are schedule 40, maybe if ya look schedule 80 can be found ?

That would be forever lasting, as long as ya dont step on them ??

H2OCleaning · Guest

i think ive seen those at ace hardware ill look and see

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H2OCleaning wrote:

i think ive seen those at ace hardware ill look and see

Here are schedule 80 Kynar
http://www.eldonjames.com/html/sch80.html

Really, PVC will be just fine, but if ya wanna go "nuts" Kynar is very good.
As long as it is THICK Kynar.

Thin Kynar is brittle, but chemical resistant.
It can break from vibrations, or bumping into it.

But Schedule 80 Kynar is very strong.

Back when I worked, my truck had the best I couild afford.
But my guys are clumsy, and forgetful.
Great roof cleaners, just not as careful with the equipment as me.

We just use whatever we can get when the stuff breaks, LOL

Just stay away from Plastic or Nylon ?

Brass actually lasts awhile, as does stainless.

I just dont like a metal to plastic joint.

When using a PVC to Kynar connection, or any kind of plastic to plastic, sealant is supposedly better then teflon tape ?

That is in Theory, and maybe in a plant or factory,, yes it is ?

But we drive down the roads, and find that teflon tape cushions vibrations better.

We use Teflon Tape w/o any shame, just dont go nuts Teflon taping your joints, and wind up cracking your Kynar Pump ??

garyw · Nov 1, 2009

WOW!!! What a difference the right product makes. 1.75 hours today and the roof looks great. Was really impressed with the performance of the love, and my new equipment. Got to practice on the flow application. I know I used way too much product, but the roof is squeaky clean and thats all that matters. Thanks for all the help.
Gary 138394,

idontknow · Guest

G,day
Thought I would throw my hat on the table and say hello to you all and shout the table a round of beers.
I have been lerking around this board for a while now picking the brains of the masters working out what is the best way to do it all, chems, equipment etc.
Now, as far as chemicals are concerned, I have been thinking about things like adding Dawn etc to the mixes and I keep thinking why are these guys using watered down supermarket products why (If you are pro's) dont you use the good stuff, you know the ingrediances in these products that actually do the job. I have been doing a bit of research and found a couple of items that may or may not be the right thing but I think are worth investigating

1. Surfactants: please look at this "Dowfax 2A1" http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_007e/0901b8038007ed62.pdf?filepath=surfactants/pdfs/noreg/119-01180.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

and also Dowfax Triton X-200 (Google it) or go to the Dow web site

Now in my opinion these two products added to the SH would just about cover it and do a great job with out using watered down supermarket detergents.

Now I have not tried these products yet but would love to see how they preform against Dawn etc. They say that adding Dowfax 2A1 surfactant that the SH stays active for up to a year!

Any way it's just all food for thought

I would like to thank you all for sharing your knowledge, It's people like you that make this World turn, helping others is a gift that everyone appreciates, Thank you.

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idontknow wrote:

G,day
Thought I would throw my hat on the table and say hello to you all and shout the table a round of beers.
I have been lerking around this board for a while now picking the brains of the masters working out what is the best way to do it all, chems, equipment etc.
Now, as far as chemicals are concerned, I have been thinking about things like adding Dawn etc to the mixes and I keep thinking why are these guys using watered down supermarket products why (If you are pro's) dont you use the good stuff, you know the ingrediances in these products that actually do the job. I have been doing a bit of research and found a couple of items that may or may not be the right thing but I think are worth investigating

1. Surfactants: please look at this "Dowfax 2A1" http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_007e/0901b8038007ed62.pdf?filepath=surfactants/pdfs/noreg/119-01180.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

and also Dowfax Triton X-200 (Google it) or go to the Dow web site

Now in my opinion these two products added to the SH would just about cover it and do a great job with out using watered down supermarket detergents.

Now I have not tried these products yet but would love to see how they preform against Dawn etc. They say that adding Dowfax 2A1 surfactant that the SH stays active for up to a year!

Any way it's just all food for thought

I would like to thank you all for sharing your knowledge, It's people like you that make this World turn, helping others is a gift that everyone appreciates, Thank you.

Thanks for chiming in mate, no wirries!
Dow Fax is great, but if you go back to page 13 - 15 in this thread, someone is using Amonyx LO.
It is a newer chlorine stable surfactant that costs considerably less then Dow Fax I have been told ?

As far as Dawn goes vs a good surfactant, it is no contest.
Dawn is great for dishes, but it is nothing more then a watered down surfactant with a little alcohol thrown in.

Sure, I have used Dawn, Ajax too.
It is better then nothing.

Yet no match for a good surfactant, as far as the final product goes, IF the roof is pretty dirty.

It is true that Apple Cider is designed with Ajax and Rubbing Alcohol in it.
I did that deliberately, because I know that "in the real world", people want to make up a batch of roof cleaning chemical, sometimes in a hurry.

A quick trip to Wal Mart, and all ya need is right there, readily availiable, in almost any town in the USA.

Sure, Chlorine Stable Surfactant is MUCH better then Ajax or Dawn.

Unfortunately, it is not for sale at Wal Mart, YET

H2OCleaning · Guest

latest price of ammonyx Lo was about $13 a gal but use about half of what you would with dawn it very thick

-- Edited by H2OCleaning on Sunday 1st of November 2009 09:39:00 PM

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H2OCleaning wrote:

latest price of ammonyx Lo was about $13 a gal but use about half of what you would with dawn it very thick

-- Edited by H2OCleaning on Sunday 1st of November 2009 09:39:00 PM

Yep, and NP 9 is thick too, but unlike the ammonyx Lo, it eats the roof cleaning chemical up faster then adding nothing.

13 dollar a gallon is cheap, I pay 15 bucks for NP 9 a gallon.

Did you get it from Lori ?

H2OCleaning · Guest

i got the price from lori she will have it soon she is still working on a cheeper suplier for us

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