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Do any of you have issues with pumps overheating that are mounted in battery boxes?

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I always remove the top before starting up the pump. Have not had a problem yet.

Nest thing to get is a heat sink from sureflow that will fit the delavan pump and a 12V fan for the box.

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My New Roof Cleaning Friend,

Welcome! I hope you enjoy and learn from and give back to the amazing forum. That is a valid question and so I will try to address it.

Fist of all,

That is just one of the reasons some of us choose to use other methods of chemical delivery such as gear driven pumps or air over liquid AODD (Air diaphragm pumps).

When you confine an electric motor designed for intermittent use, and stuff it in a box with minimal airflow and then ask it to (over) work continuously to pump a chemical mixture that it is not really designed for , i.e; sodium hypochlorite (which is BOTH a gas and a liquid). Then, you are just asking for problems.

As our friend, mentor and board guru Chris of Apple Roof Cleaning states repeatedly throughout our board.

"No Roof Pump is Forever"

Fans are a solution, Heat sink shrouds are another option. Taking it OUT of the Battery box and making an aluminum cover for it that allows it to breath and remain relatively weather resistant but still allows the heat to dissipate while the aluminum shield draws heat away as well.

Finally, have two pumps wiring and plumbed to work part time duty instead of putting the full load duty on one small pump head and motor winding full time....which is a recipe for black smoke and disappointment?

Here is my method of thought, it occurred to me a long while back, that we roof cleaners are ALL different and come from a myriad of backgrounds and so, as such, we all "float in different boats".

But, until we all realize we are all in floating in the SAME sea, different strokes for different folks will prevail, even if the methods may be dated?

Just some food for thought?


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I always remove the top before starting up the pump. Have not had a problem yet.

Nest thing to get is a heat sink from sureflow that will fit the delavan pump and a 12V fan for the box.




I dont use 12 volt pumps anymore.
But when I saw that pump mounted in a Box, it got me thinking.
The Box will protect the pump from the elements, a good thing.
But I was concerned with heat.
It got me thinking ?????

I had an old stereo amplifier that had NO heat sinks.
NONE!
And it put out 800 watts into 2 ohms.

Instead of heat sinks, it had tubes attached to the transistors filled with Freon or some coolant that transferred heat away from the transistors.
Now, when I had a party, and really leaned on the amp, you could hear the cooling tubes Gurgling, LOL

Some have actually placed a Fan on the Delavans, but some cooling tubes/heat sinks might be a good thing ?

OR, better yet,  get you a small air diapraghm pump with a baby compressor ?

Versa Matic makes an AODD pump for under 100 bucks !!!!

It runs on a small air compressor.

Just another option ?



 



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I put 3/4" tall rubber feet on the bottom of the battery box and drilled 10 1"holes in the bottom to allow more airflow through the box. I don't remove the top, although that might be a really good idea, but I do loosen the strap holding it down so it isn't too tight. So far, I haven't had a problem, but I haven't done alot of roofs yet either. Just another idea for you to consider.

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Roof Cleaning Manchester CT 860-970-1919 wrote:

I put 3/4" tall rubber feet on the bottom of the battery box and drilled 10 1"holes in the bottom to allow more airflow through the box. I don't remove the top, although that might be a really good idea, but I do loosen the strap holding it down so it isn't too tight. So far, I haven't had a problem, but I haven't done alot of roofs yet either. Just another idea for you to consider.




Good Ideas !
Anything we can do to improve air flow is a good thing!
Here is a homebrew heat sink http://www.dream-models.com/eco/Heat_Sink.html
IF I still used 12 Volt pumps, you can BET I would have some kind of heat dissapation.
Heat will FRY an electric motor in a NY Second.

 



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AD pump FTW!!!!

the metal box open on one side seems to work well for the people I have discussed it with. Many air compressors are set up that way around here (in farmland lol) to protect them from the rain. The open side facing away from your chem will block chem and uv but allow air in. Another option I would conideer (and may do to my AD pump) is t build a box or use a metal prebuilt box with a door on the side, then you can leave it open when in use and close it afterwards. Good luck brother!!

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Thanks for the info everybody!!

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Thanks for the tip on opening the box. I recently switched pumps from a 4.5 gpm sure-flow to a 7 gpm Delavan.  The sure-flo was waterproof and didn't need to be in a box.  I never had a problem.  I mounted the Delavan per instructions into a battery box using a 20 amp fuse and blew 2 during my first job. The inline switch was getting hot so I was thinking I needed to beef up the wireing and may be even change out the switch   but I bet it was the pump.

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I know you can put computer in minerial oil and will not short out you might be able to do the same with 12v pump.

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I went to radio shack and bought a small cooling fan like goes in stero and computer equip. and wired it in to the wire from swich to the pump motor so when the pump kicks on so does the fan. Cut hole on one end of box and use silacone to glue window screen to the OUTSIDE of the box (ps- use sand paper to rough up slightly) cut hole on other end for fan, be sure to direct air flow across the motor the best as possiable. I've used this method for about 6 years with 1 pump and the seals finaly gave out this spring but the motor still runs.

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My pump did not overheat today.  I used about 40 gal. and took the suggestion of taking the cover off the box and my pump worked fine.  Temperature outside was about 90 and the humidity was about the same.  The pump kept working.  No hot wires or switches.  Thanks again for the tip.



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