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Thanks Bill.

Is the crow bar easier to remove than the flat bar, or why did you switch?

I had the 24" crowbar and went out to find a 24" flat bar but couldn't find one yet, so I'm glad you mentioned the switch.

Question:  Have your guys ever smacked one of those into a buried tank or line?  Our septic tanks out here are sometimes hard to find.  Mine is directly in front of a porch, for example, where I would be using that great setup.  Guy who pumps the tank probes for it first with a thin rod.  Maybe that's the key before driving one of those anchors in when you're not sure.  Maybe rod should be insulated?



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I'm rethinking that a bit, a foot down you're not likely to have anything electrical, of course, unless it's shoddy HO stuff, but the septic tanks could be shallow for easy access/pump out.



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I have several ladder standoffs made by AC.  They blow away the other stand offs that I have bought in the past and are much more stable.



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I like these. They look weird, but they also increase your working height. http://stores.homestead.com/LadderMaxLLC/StoreFront.bok

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Skyline Roof Cleaning Virginia wrote:

Thanks Bill.

Is the crow bar easier to remove than the flat bar, or why did you switch?

I had the 24" crowbar and went out to find a 24" flat bar but couldn't find one yet, so I'm glad you mentioned the switch.

Question:  Have your guys ever smacked one of those into a buried tank or line?  Our septic tanks out here are sometimes hard to find.  Mine is directly in front of a porch, for example, where I would be using that great setup.  Guy who pumps the tank probes for it first with a thin rod.  Maybe that's the key before driving one of those anchors in when you're not sure.  Maybe rod should be insulated?


 We use an 18" round prybar these days instead of the flat bar.  Usually we are looking out for sprinkler systems, but no we havn't hit anything yet and really we don't have to do that trick very often.  The stabilizer will save you from needing the bar as often.  Just tap gently :)



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I like these. They look weird, but they also increase your working height. http://stores.homestead.com/LadderMaxLLC/StoreFront.bok


 

I looked at those, Art, and I'm considering it.  Werner said their stand-offs aren't made for being put on the roof like we are.  They said that to get it on the roof it would change the OSHA recommended angle, and it would be bad on the shingles.

So I looked at the one you like -- LadderMax.  Have you used one of these and are they better than a regular stand off?

Doesn't this look a bit tippy like that in their ad?  I'm not sure I'd want to use it when needing to step off and onto the roof.

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Another is the Spider.  Looks good, but top heavy, and I'm not sure it wouldn't damage shingles by pushing against them as you're positioning the ladder:

http://www.gutterprotector.net/

 



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Marcus, I believe I saw him using the Werner Quick Click in one of his videos.

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Werner is saying don't use it or any like it as a stand off from the roof.

What to do?  I know a lot of guys use these for that purpose anyway, but are they meant to take pressure from that angle, and will they harm shingles?

I haven't seen accidents because of stabilizers failing/breaking because they're used this way.  Anyone?



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AC says that he has some ladder stabilizers for sale in Tampa at the convention.

http://roof-cleaning-institute.activeboard.com/t44116058/softwash-products-available-at-nce-tampa/

"Ladder Stabilizer $120.00

This is not your daddy's ladder stabilizer. Made of 80 gauge 6061 heavy duty aluminum this ladder stabilizer is overbuilt with a wider stance and smarter mounting bracket. You will pass this ladder stabilizer down to your kids for sure."



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Al- I have two and I love them both. One of my guys was skeptical at first, but after using them, he's sold as well. They're so solid I've had 250lb. people work while standing on them (while I footed the ladder) and they're only about $60. If I ever wear them out, or damage them, which seems inpossible, they'll get replaced with new ones.

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Art, which one are you referring to here -- the one you like -- is it the Werner Quick Click or Ladder Max?

 



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I Got one of AC's ladder stabilizers in Tampa and used it for the first time today. I'm kicking myself for ever waiting this long before getting one! Loved working on it. His are much beeffier, wider, and more stabile than the home depot ones, yet about the same weight. I HIGHLY recommend it!

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Ladder Max baby. They reach up and over gutters, snd while mom may not approve of it, my guys have been known to stand on them while I foot the ladder. They're not for sissies, 'cause they're a bit on the heavy side, but the stability is phonenal. They're also a PITA around trees, but again, well worth the wrestling match. I have two and they are among my favorite pieces of equipment. Eventually, I'll probably get the one which was designed for corners as well.

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Art, I was looking at the one for corners, too.  Are you talking about the Spider?

I'll be trying one.  It's 24 lbs or so, so on the 40 footer, it may be a bit much.  I'll let you know.

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I considered AC's because a few have mentioned it, but it looks like it could be a PITA to get on and off of there, while other newer types "snap" in.

 



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Al:
Much wider than the traditional ones and more stable. Not too much of a pain to get on an off, just 2 "u" Bolts & wing nuts. Going to even try some heavy duty zip strips and see how that works!

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Careful with those zip ties Ray!  I'm sure AC knows his stuff, but if that stabilizer is round, as in tubular or a bent pipe, and not flat to lie against the flat surfaces of that ladder, what's to keep it from pitching forward or back, with just those U bolts?  Is there a flat side to it?

I should stop asking so many questions about it and go get one I guess.  Thing is, for $120 if you don't like it, you have another thing to trip over in the garage.  Will have to give it some thought.



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Al-I'm not familiar with the Spider, but there is a Ladder Max which is designed for corners. IDK about that one, but the two regular ones that we have weigh much less than 24lbs. & they're held on by two clips. I can move them on the ladder in a few seconds and I'm fast approaching Old Fat Guy status, so most people could probably do it faster.

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Dear fellow OFG, welcome to the club.  What took you so long!?

Donuts and pizza await you.  And Spandex is a wonderful thing.  smile

Kidding aside, thanks.  The more you've said about it, the more I'm leaning that way.  Including the corner model.  The Werner guy cited the Ladder Max as approved for the roof, even though it's not their company.  I'm more concerned about OSHA or HO telling us it wasn't an approved device for that purpose, etc.  Quick Click looks like it is, but the manufacturer says no, so if there's a failure ....  I'm just saying, we seem to use approved and certified methods elsewhere.  Ladder Max looks like a winner.  Thanks.



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Al there's a flat bracket welded to the tube aluminum, so no problem there.

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Thanks Ray, I didn't realize that.  Have you tried the Ladder Max?



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