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Roof Cleaning St Louis Missouri (636) 221 2582 wrote:

I bought some of those small bungees with the ball on the end. I think they will hold the bag on the gutter. You can adjust them to what size you need.



Good deal! That should keep the bags pretty secure and keep the Roof Cleaning chemical from dumping out of the bag. smile



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I think some of you might be putting to much effort into the gutter bagging. Although extremely important, as long as your ground guy is emptying and paying attention your bags theyshould not be to the point of needing to tape and zip . Also as far as bringing to the curb with tarps, just carry a 55 gallon plastic trash can to all jobs and put it by the gutters when emptying bags that way your not making 20 trips to the curb and also not much time for drainage without the bags on because you dump them and put them right back on. takes les then 10 sec. remember work smarter not harder!

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I will keep that in mind, thanks never really thought of that.

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Velcro straps work great for me, a lot easier than having to cut zip ties off.

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You dont actually have to tape the bags to the gutters Just wrap the tape TIGHT around the bags and you shouldnt have a problem. You can also use painter blue tape and it sticks well enough to not come off but doent leave a residue, or mess with the paint at all.

And honestly, unless it is a VERY steep roof, you shouldnt have more than a 1/2 gallon to a bag. If you do, you are probably using too much chemical. Its actually a great way to see if you have too much runoff and adjust your cleaning method if so.

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 I hear on this site people telling all of us to just haul the run off from the roof to the gutter and get rid of it.  How many of you do pressure washing also ?  Are you allowed to let the run off from what you are cleaning to run into the street  ? And , for it being o.k. to haul away with you, because it's the same thing you brought with you, but weaker, have you had it tested ?  How about  all the pollutants you justed washed off the roof.  Was there any trace amounts of lead in it ?
 I am not trying to make anyone mad, but I thnk this site,  and with this being the
 Roof Cleaning Institute's learning site, and the place that is going to certify roof cleaners, Don't you think there out to be some kind job standards that we the certified roof cleaners should live by ?  Up here where I live, the Rule is, " Nothing leaves the property"  unless you are licensed.  Under no circumstances is anything allowed to make it's way into the street drains.  When I keep reading the things o nhere about dumping it into the street, it sounds like something a fly-by-night roof cleaner would be doing. Not someone I would turn to to learn from....


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 I hear on this site people telling all of us to just haul the run off from the roof to the gutter and get rid of it.  How many of you do pressure washing also ?  Are you allowed to let the run off from what you are cleaning to run into the street  ? And , for it being o.k. to haul away with you, because it's the same thing you brought with you, but weaker, have you had it tested ?  How about  all the pollutants you justed washed off the roof.  Was there any trace amounts of lead in it ?

 I am not trying to make anyone mad, but I thnk this site,  and with this being the
 Roof Cleaning Institute's learning site, and the place that is going to certify roof cleaners, Don't you think there out to be some kind job standards that we the certified roof cleaners should live by ?  Up here where I live, the Rule is, " Nothing leaves the property"  unless you are licensed.  Under no circumstances is anything allowed to make it's way into the street drains.  When I keep reading the things o nhere about dumping it into the street, it sounds like something a fly-by-night roof cleaner would be doing. Not someone I would turn to to learn from....


I cannot speak for others in other states but I can say that the state of Florida has not implemented or for yet a better choice of words, Enforced the clean water act where as we would be required to reclaim, set up berms and remove waste water from the property. As of right now we are able to use the storm drains as a means of rinsing and removing rinse/waste water. When we do bag downspouts and drain them into the rain gutters we ALWAYS have a hose with fresh water diluting the leftover Roof Cleaning mix as we empty the bags.

Much of the work I do is Pressure Washing as well as Roof Cleaning and I Pressure Clean a lot of Concrete Driveways Etc... I always make sure that I clean and rinse the rain gutters to the property line to dilute any chems as much as possible.

 



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Where does the runoff need to be disposed. Have you ever had the grass die around the down spouts after a rain that has come after you left and unbagged?

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You make a great point. PM 10 regulations vary both state to state and county to county. Locally run of from roof cleaning or pressure washing  has been a non issue for me. However that could change overnight and is worth staying informed. Currently I put the bagged run off into a few 5 gallon buckets and water it down before disposing it.  

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I am now using 1/4 inch rope to tie my bags to the downspouts.

Works better especially when you need to dump the bags and put them back on. A wet bag does not let the tape stick, the rope solves the problem. Also saves you money from having to buy more tape.



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I had trouble getting my bags too full so to solve the problem I carry a hand held barrel siphon pump & just pump some of it into a 5 gallon bucket until the bag is safe to carry.

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Those over full bags happen sometimes, but if you have your ground man check em he can change em out once in a while.

Also as you get better less will come down the gutters, this should be a goal!!

I use draw string bags, Heafty black 30gl bags currently.  The force flex kind.

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Use Husky liners, the heavy duty black bags from Home Depot. Do not use any tape for you might ruin the bag and the gutters finish.

Just slide the bag up the downspot a foot or so then tie the slack together. Plus, those bags are tough enough to reuse again. They aren't cheap when you have to buy them all the time.



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Like Chuck, I too wonder if anyone has had issues with dead vegitation after a rain-fall. 
That leads me to my primary question about rinsing a roof....  After spraying Chlorine Bleach + soap mixture, should I be rinsing it off or am I letting mother nature have all the fun?
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The longer it sits on the roof, the cleaner and more effective it will be.  Let the rain take it from there and inform you customers they may see soap at the bottom after a good rain and not to worry, its safe and biodegradable.

I use string to bag my gutters, fold the extra back down over the string like a cuff and it works fine.

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Woodytwin wrote:

Like Chuck, I too wonder if anyone has had issues with dead vegitation after a rain-fall. 
That leads me to my primary question about rinsing a roof....  After spraying Chlorine Bleach + soap mixture, should I be rinsing it off or am I letting mother nature have all the fun?
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I have FINALLY learn't to let mother nature do the job. I just tell customers that if there is any 'burn lines' from the natural rinsing, that it'll come back in a few weeks at most and they seem to be happy with that. So long as you tell them.



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Woodytwin wrote:

Like Chuck, I too wonder if anyone has had issues with dead vegitation after a rain-fall. 
That leads me to my primary question about rinsing a roof....  After spraying Chlorine Bleach + soap mixture, should I be rinsing it off or am I letting mother nature have all the fun?
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I have FINALLY learn't to let mother nature do the job. I just tell customers that if there is any 'burn lines' from the natural rinsing, that it'll come back in a few weeks at most and they seem to be happy with that. So long as you tell them.



Ditto on the above... The only time you may run into trouble is if you get a LITE rain shortly after applying the Roof Cleaning mix. Anytime after say a couple of hours or more you are pretty much in the clear.

 



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tie wraps or lg. rubberbands work the best. No concern for damage



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Woodytwin wrote:

Like Chuck, I too wonder if anyone has had issues with dead vegitation after a rain-fall. 
That leads me to my primary question about rinsing a roof....  After spraying Chlorine Bleach + soap mixture, should I be rinsing it off or am I letting mother nature have all the fun?
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I have FINALLY learn't to let mother nature do the job. I just tell customers that if there is any 'burn lines' from the natural rinsing, that it'll come back in a few weeks at most and they seem to be happy with that. So long as you tell them.

 

Dilution would seem like the best way.  How many bags do you guys fill on the average roof.  Im sure know one is taking it to a municipal disposal center. Hosing down the downspout areas would seem to do the trick. If there are a lot of plants and foliage would extensions ran to a safe area on the property be a better idea?

 



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Cut some strips out of old inner tubes or pond liner. One half knot is all it takes to hold the bag very tight. Slight tug and it comes free for emptying. re-use for years.

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