You say the customers will slam their doors in our faces if they knew what chemicals we used... Then why do they specifically ask for us to clean without a pressure washer and why do they call us back after years of having a clean roof instead of calling people like you?

Good, now that you've shown the bulletin from the ARMA (not ARM stupid), read the first line. It says "First, gently disperse this solution on the roofing surface." What solution are you dispersing before you rinse with your "low" pressure?

Here is the document you requested:

ahn05.com/managementspecialists/picture/HowToCleanYourRoof.pdf

This is the same document where you got your information in your last post (look above in blue lettering) so don't pretend to be oblivious to it. It was the paragraph above what you put in your last post. Here is a statement from the document:

"Algae discolorations are difficult to remove from roofing surfaces, but may be lightened by applying a solution of
chlorine bleach, triS phosphate, and water."

If you google S H you will learn its chlorine bleach. This is what is recommended. This is why (unlike you) we don't use only water. And yes people know and understand more than you do about what is in our tanks. That's why they call us to clean their roofs.

You say years ago it was recommended to use 1200psi or less. Well years ago people didn't know smoking causes cancer either. What we know today about smoking and roof cleaning is alot more than what we knew years ago. Times change and we learn from our mistakes. You just keep making the mistake on every roof you walk on.

There is no written material saying to avoid jumping off a bridge either but most people know enough not to. I guess your just a bridge jumper.

roofcleanerspalmbeachcom wrote:

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None its water only!...Water is safe people know this...they dont know whats in your tank nor does ARM...

Wow, you talk about the ARMA on your video like you're well acquainted with it, but yet in multiple places call it ARM.  That looks to me as if you are not as well acquainted with the ARMA as you lead on.  You STILL EVADE MY QUESTION...where is your link you mention in your video saying the ARMA recommends water only and not bleach/S H (not S Hydroxide).  And to counter what you said about water being safe...well, so is bleach when it is used properly.  Water killed a lot of people in Hurricane Katrina and caused billions of dollars of damage.  Like bleach, water is safe if used properly.  One of the worst torture techniques is waterboarding.  Just saying that all it takes to take something from totally safe to totally dangerous is a little training, which we all possess, so that is why we can say bleach is safe because we're trained how to use it safely and properly. 

Years ago Talon Shingle manufacturer said use 1200psi or less. Well I am way under 500 psi at the pump head. Equipment has changed since a rinky dink honda 13hp pressure cleaner that runs at 3000psi / 3-4 gallon a minute flow

Sorry, I just don't believe you're under 500 PSI.  I can easily put my hand in a 3000 PSI stream and run it back and forth over my leg without damage.  You work with your hands day in and day out, so I'd hope your hands are tough enough to do the same.  Until you put in a pressure gauge near the gun and video it, I just don't believe you're putting out less than 500 PSI and blasting a roof like that, and I certainly know granules are getting blasted off the roof.  I can't walk on a roof without dislodging granules at 215 pounds and the weight spread across the entire surface of my shoe, and you're putting out (using your numbers) a little under 500 PSI, which is around 500 pounds in a square inch versus 215 pounds over the surface area of my shoe.  And again, my weight is going down on the granule where your water is hitting it at more of an angle.  Until you can show me a clean gutter, pressure wash an entire roof (in good condition, not blasted free of granules going into the video), go nonstop and then rinse the roof down and show me the gutter again that it has no granules in it, I don't believe that either.

 

Also... please post where there is a document (none) that I know of that specifically lists S H to clean a roof, let alone the other chemicals, soaps clingers you add to the tank by your own choice

Already posted, multiple times.  It's the one that says at the bottom that the ARMA that cautions against using high pressure water to clean roofs.  It's posted several times if you read it. 

 

I know the chemicals you apply to the roof and dont rinse off,  void termite warranties from pest control companies who inject the ground for subterranean termites, and this is a expensive job for the home owner

Again with the answers showing lack of research.  I've cleaned a roof for a pest control company before and spoken to the owner/operator of another and both said short of dumping your bleach solution on the ground in volume where they treat, it will not be enough to void the warranty.  Besides, if you knew anything about chemically cleaning a roof you'd know 99% of the overspray goes off the roof at an angle and never reaches the ground next to the house where pest control companies treat anyway, unless you're referencing an "A-Frame" home.  In that case it is probably a metal roof and they take a much lower solution to clean.  And SOME of the chemical does run off the roof, but the majority is rendered inert while on the roof and 95-98% of the bleach applied is inert before the roof cleaner pulls out of the driveway. 

 

There is no written material by manufacturers that say to avoid low pressure that I am using, if low psi was a problem then they would have commented. I can spray it on my hand and legs like a garden hose...

And I can do this with 3000+PSI too.  It all looks the same in a video...Back it up by installing a pressure gauge and then shoot your video showing how well your roof comes clean when you are truly using less than 500 PSI.  Until I see that, I just don't believe it.

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SH is also a very good paint stripper ...better not splash your brew on the path, patio, of painted walls...it will soften the paint quick. Its also used to strip metals. Caustic paint removers, typically S hydroxide (also known as lye or caustic soda), work by breaking down the chemical bonds of the paint. Caustic removers must be neutralized or the new finish will fail prematurely. (like your rinsing down the roof! & landing that tox in the yard).  In addition, several side effects and health risks must be taken into account in using caustic paint removers. But still there are not so goo operators out there that splash this every where!

Unfortunately you are slightly right there...there are not so good operators out there that splash bleach everywhere and can cause problems.  Thankfully for us and the homeowners these people don't last long because they do the job wrong and end up paying out more money than they make.  Not just any idiot can do this job...you have to be an educated and trained idiot at minimum.  There are idiots out there that know ammonia is a great cleaner and bleach is a great cleaner and mix those together to clean, not having a clue how dangerous this mixture is.  That's why we stress to not just hire any idiot that comes to your door.  Make sure they have been properly licensed, properly insured to protect themselves and their customers and so forth. 

You know your having a bad day when the return line pops out of the tank and is squirting all over the driveway, lawn, street and you dont know at all cos your on the roof, and 15 mins later you wonder why the product ran out...BIG Oops!...by now you feel a massive hot rush through your body of OMG! and frantically still cant comprehend how to clean this chemical accident up...so you turn the hose on for a few hours! and pray the home owner does not come home

S hydroxide (or lye) and water is a powerful paint stripper originally used to remove lead paints. This at home solution is just as strong as anything you could buy at the store and just as toxic. It's important to use extra caution when using toxic chemicals. S hydroxide solution is not recommended for use on wood or in closed areas. S hydroxide is great for removing paint because it will strip everything it touches. So don't wear your favorite pair of jeans when using S hydroxide solution, unless you want holes in them

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_4829565_own-chemical-paint-stripper.html

S hydroxide (or lye) and water is a powerful paint stripper originally used to remove lead paints. This at home solution is just as strong as anything you could buy at the store and just as toxic. It's important to use extra caution when using toxic chemicals. S hydroxide solution is not recommended for use on wood or in closed areas. S hydroxide is great for removing paint because it will strip everything it touches. So don't wear your favorite pair of jeans when using S hydroxide solution, unless you want holes in them

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_4829565_own-chemical-paint-stripper.html

It amazes me just how far you'll go to use fear tactics when we've shown you over and over and over the right way to do this, the APPROVED way to do this.  If you want to continue to take short cuts (including personal protection equipment), knock yourself out.  I hope you didn't lose your batch of leeches...if you catch the flu this season you may need them.  Like others have said, I'm done with you.  If you want to short cut and damage people's roofs and trust on luck and faith they don't climb up and find out, good luck.  You should also be careful about how many times your website name appears here too.  Too many times and Google and other web crawlers may find it and customers may open this thread and see dozens of professionals with ARMA documentation against what you preach saying why you are damaging their roofs.  Just something to keep in mind.  I know you're going to say you hope that happens, but we all know that secretly in the pit of your stomach you will wonder about this.

 

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Its all about HP and GPM. Go with a Kohler 30hp for the torque, there about $2500. Pump for flow the AR, they make great pumps ranging from 10-14 gpm, or general TSF 2421 10-12 gpm

By the time your finished building the cost should be 5-6k, maybe higher if you hire someone to build it for you, like 7-8k. Yes big money for quality equipment

I build mine on a portable frame that I had to weld reinforcing angle iron to the bottom of the mounts and across the steel plate, then a belt drive, finally a plastic 55gal water tank for delivery. Sure beats the heck out of a truck / trailer tow set up. That way you can load in a van, hold more equipment in a Van, have shelving and be more organized and don't run the risk of equipment thief when your parked.

You can wheel a portable behind the property to a sheltered spot direct the exhaust / engine noise away from the house, and keep it away from the living room, actually they dont even know your there, unlike a chemical rig in the driveway with a truck/trailer and all the hoop la. Sometimes you cant get a trailer around back.

Whats so funny is I see Joe Cool with his big truck, big wheels, towing a tandem axle trailer rig, huge tanks with only a honda 25hp / general 8.5 gmp, and I wheel a portable 30hp/12gpm out of my van... perhaps they need to get with 2015...I have always thought the best contractors drive vans...for many reasons, but that's another debate

Glad your considering getting off the rinky dink pressure washer chain gang of low gpm slavery...guys its 10-15gpm min now days...its time to get new equipment and get out of the historical antiquated equipment that is high pressure and damages surfaces

 

 

-- Edited by roofcleanerspalmbeachcom on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 11:53:43 AM

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Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

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roofcleanerspalmbeachGuy, I have 1 final thought for you and I hope you are man enough to honestly think about this.

If I went to one of the many pressure washing sites and started ranting there, as a guest on their site, that everything they did in their line of work was wrong and only my way was acceptable, wouldn't they and you think I was just a trouble maker and stupid for posting anti-pressure washing information on a pressure washing site, and as their guest, on top of that?

You may not know it, but the reason you are not having your "Guest" posting privileges taken away and banned from this site, is that you are giving us lots of search engine juice from all this activity on RCIA.

Once any homeowner etc find this in a Google search and are at our site, they will not only see all the discrepancies and lack of proof in your postings, they will see just the opposite in ours and look the site over further and find one of us to clean their roof without pressure. By now, they have seen our proof links saying to use bleach and you say you use nothing to kill the algae / bacteria on their roofs, so it will continue to grow on the roof and anywhere else your pressure washing blows it.

You have to use bleach, according to the roofing manufacturers. So, now that the whole world can see all of our proof and just your opinion, you should start seeing less and less work coming off the internet for you to pressure wash! Your local Non-Pressure roof cleaning companies will get the jobs.You should be posting online at pressure washing sites, where it may boost your Search Engine results, instead of killing your SEO here and building ours???

Read below and see proof, instead of just talk.

ARMA

 http://www.asphaltroofing.org/algae-discoloration-roofs

GAF

http://www.gaf.com/Warranties_Technical_Documents/Steep_Slope_Technical_Advisory_Bulletins/English_Bulletins/Algae_Staining_On_Shingled_Roof_Surfaces_Steep_Slope_Technical_Point_TAB_R_2011_102.pdf

 

Corning

http://roofingca.owenscorning.com/homeowner/thingsyoushouldknow/needaroof.aspx

 

Field Coatings: Such as Roof-ahhh-cyde etc-there are lots of them!

http://www.asphaltroofing.org/coating-asphalt-shingles-after-installation

roofcleanerspalmbeachcom wrote:

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Its all about HP and GPM. Go with a Kohler 30hp for the torque, there about $2500. Pump for flow the AR, they make great pumps ranging from 10-14 gpm, or general TSF 2421 10-12 gpm

By the time your finished building the cost should be 5-6k, maybe higher if you hire someone to build it for you, like 7-8k. Yes big money for quality equipment

I build mine on a portable frame that I had to weld reinforcing angle iron to the bottom of the mounts and across the steel plate, then a belt drive, finally a plastic 55gal water tank for delivery. Sure beats the heck out of a truck / trailer tow set up. That way you can load in a van, hold more equipment in a Van, have shelving and be more organized and don't run the risk of equipment thief when your parked.

You can wheel a portable behind the property to a sheltered spot direct the exhaust / engine noise away from the house, and keep it away from the living room, actually they dont even know your there, unlike a chemical rig in the driveway with a truck/trailer and all the hoop la. Sometimes you cant get a trailer around back.

Whats so funny is I see Joe Cool with his big truck, big wheels, towing a tandem axle trailer rig, huge tanks with only a honda 25hp / general 8.5 gmp, and I wheel a portable 30hp/12gpm out of my van... perhaps they need to get with 2015...I have always thought the best contractors drive vans...for many reasons, but that's another debate

Glad your considering getting off the rinky dink pressure washer chain gang of low gpm slavery...guys its 10-15gpm min now days...its time to get new equipment and get out of the historical antiquated equipment that is high pressure and damages surfaces

 

 

-- Edited by roofcleanerspalmbeachcom on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 11:53:43 AM

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-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 02:10:19 PM

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100%!!! 

I just want to say I have never in my life seen one person"kick against the goads" for so long and so hard in the face of an onslaught of knowledge thrown at him. And Im no spring chicken either. I'm pushing 60 and would expect such behavior from someone much like myself but in my 20's maybe. Maybe being the key word.

I also want to say for the record I for one really and sincereily appreciate the knowledgeable professionals on here that do know where to find the facts and post them and the chemist in our field who know how things work and explain it. Simple chemistry TRoy. You explained how simple my Salt Generator works on my swimming pool with plates that "boil" the water in a looking glass. You can actually see it. And adjust it up and down in the summer heat here in Florida. Bergman your knowledge of Arma specificattions and how our industry is actually in the loop and cutting edge is appreciated. I NOW know where to get that technical bullitin when I need it. As I said in a previous post my best freind is a roofer. He needs to see that bullitin. At least I don't think he pressure washes shingle roofs. Only tile. But it still does damage to tile. He knows that. lol

Now to the most misinformed person who trully does not belong in here or in the business we do. You seem to delight in telling us how we are doing things wrong and we are not doing this and its really stronger than we say it is. RIGHT BACK AT YOU. I say BS. In our real world we know you can't clean the roofs we clean with your "low Low Low pressure. I say you have to turn it much higher on the ones I do every week. Or it just aint gonna come off KInd Sir!! The algae i remove is more tenacious than that. Remember We have also been doing this a long time. I for one have cleaned roofs with pressure long before you have. Like a lot of us have. We started out that way. I started in this business in 1979. It took everything I had (3500 psi) to clean some of those roofs. We did not know any better back then. HOA's came along and now roofs are required to be clean. WITHOUT DOING SHINGLE DAMAGE.

Some of us changed over immediatly to NO or Low pressure chemical cleaning. I discovered it on my own on the job one day. By accident. And then started asking questions and designed my first rig myself. I have personally been doing it this way for therabouts 20 years. forgive me i can figure it out exactly if you want me too. I do know i got Orange County Public Schools first Low pressure roof cleaning contract in 1996. And I can prove that. Ever heard of Mallard. I beat them out.
I also say BS on your little video. I did not even listen to it. But I watched it. Sorry but it looks like a controlled demonstration to me. MIldew don't look like that. Look closer guys. It looks like it was "dusted" with dirt prior to the video. Its not real life. None of my roofs would ever come clean that easy. And none look like that prior to cleaning either.
Also why has no one called you out on mentioining S HYdroxide. WE DONT USE S HYDROXIDE. It is Lye your correct. It will remove paint your correct. But no where is thier proof that anyone said they use it to clean roofs. And I know no one does. Your so confused. Its S H. And its ARMA Not ARM. Thats all I am going to say. Your way off base Sir.

Again everything I state on my rig is fact, and the roof was not staged. This is how well my system cleans...it must be good since you dont believe it!

Next job another full video will be taken, with pressure gauge under my gun...I have no business here to post BS on my system...its all fact...YES it works that good.
The Main factor is the spray tip, also I have honed / drilled out the passages of the onloader valve and the widened the valve holes...a trick off mine to get more flow, also there is 1/2 hose 100 ft then down to 3/8 at the last 50 ft, yes I know I only have a 12 gpm gun which squeels and wines with the flow going through it but they are cheap and I replace them often.
Also my machine is running 1/2-3/4 throttle here, not full out by any means, also my pump has low pressure feed from the tank in both inlet ports giving good flow also, with a big daddy flow unloader valve blue spring...ha...you don't believe its real?...I sorry you dont believe in the video footage.

roofcleanerspalmbeachcom wrote:

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Again everything I state on my rig is fact, and the roof was not staged. This is how well my system cleans...it must be good since you dont believe it!

Next job another full video will be taken, with pressure gauge under my gun...I have no business here to post BS on my system...its all fact...YES it works that good.
The Main factor is the spray tip, also I have honed / drilled out the passages of the onloader valve and the widened the valve holes...a trick off mine to get more flow, also there is 1/2 hose 100 ft then down to 3/8 at the last 50 ft, yes I know I only have a 12 gpm gun which squeels and wines with the flow going through it but they are cheap and I replace them often.
Also my machine is running 1/2-3/4 throttle here, not full out by any means, also my pump has low pressure feed from the tank in both inlet ports giving good flow also, with a big daddy flow unloader valve blue spring...ha...you don't believe its real?...I sorry you dont believe in the video footage.

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Most everything you have "stated" we have dis-proven and not just with words, like you do, but with live links to the folks who manufacture the roofing shingles. The manufacturers do not agree with you. You never "address" anything we show you or any facts we prove, you just keep rambling on "Everything I state is a fact"

CLEARLY that is not true, not even close to true! Almost everything you have said is all wrong!

You said 1 thing, that is indisputable "I have no business here"