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I have a FatBoy Pump. I want to hook up a "continous duty" Solenoid. HOW DO I DO THAT?
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Hello, my friend, Marcus in Texas has been trying to explain to me how to use a continuous duty solenoid in place of the relay that came on my Fat Boy pump.

Marcus has explained that very well, yet, due to some "Thinking" problems I have, plus the stress of losing my 20 year worker -- my own son, who broke his ankle in Nov and the doctors say won't walk for about 1 year, it's just not registering with me, just how to hook it up?

I don't want to attach wires improperly and fry the solenoid or the pump.

Can anyone help me attach it properly?

Please feel free to explain it to me as you would a child or an idiot - LOL

I'm not a child, but I'm beginning to wonder about the other!

The solenoid I have [pictured below] has 4 posts-2 big and 2 small.

Thank You!

Chuck

 

 



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Hey Chuck, I don't have a real answer for you,..but a diagram would be very helpful I would think,..although I'm sure Marcus explained it well,..it is hard to compute what he's saying and put it into a "diagram" in your head. I like pictures, Ha,Ha,...

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Hi Jeff, ya, Marcus sent me a cleared explanation and a diagram and now I'm sure I can do it right!
Marcus really put some time into helping me and I appreciate what a nice guy he is!


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Hi Jeff, ya, Marcus sent me a cleared explanation and a diagram and now I'm sure I can do it right!
Marcus really put some time into helping me and I appreciate what a nice guy he is!


 So Chuck, are you planning to run your 12 volt pump so it runs all the time



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All I use is a solenoid. You want a continuous or constant solenoid that is used for snowplows and lift gates. 

I use a S.A.M. No. 1306070 should be able to google it. I purchase mine from OReilly's Auto Parts.

I am going to do a video next week on how to hook one up for my cedar network and will send you the link to the video.



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THANKS!

Marcus spent considerable time showing me how to set mine up, even sent me a diagram. I guess I'm just plain stupid?

I tried and failed so far!

I do have the continuous solenoid though!



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Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Hi Jeff, ya, Marcus sent me a cleared explanation and a diagram and now I'm sure I can do it right!
Marcus really put some time into helping me and I appreciate what a nice guy he is!


 So Chuck, are you planning to run your 12 volt pump so it runs all the time


Hi Chris,

No, I am replacing the relay that comes on them and always fries out.

I had read about using a solenoid instead of that relay. Marcus and Bruce both use the solenoid instead of the relay.

Right now I mainly just use my FatBoy to transfer SH, but, now that I have to clean all the roofs myself, I am considering doing more from a ladder and in some cases, I may need to use the FatBoy for extra distance?



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Chuck my friend, you should have told me that you did not understand.  Being a former electrical engineer sometimes I take things for granted that others do not understand.I am going to show what I sent you one more time so everyone knows how.  I will try to field questions but the season has already started and we are busy working.

The line #s below correspond with the wire numbers in the attached electrical layout.

1. 10 gauge red wire from battery +12 V to one end of 40 amp circuit breaker (CB).
2. 10 gauge red wire from other end of circuit breaker to a switch.
3. 10 gauge red wire from other end of switch to input of solenoid.
4. 12 gauge red wire from input of solenoid to one end of delavan pressure switch wire.
5. 12 gauge black wire from other end of delavan pressure switch wire to solenoid's coil +12 V terminal.    (In the past Chuck, I accidentally said red)...
     ( some solenoids show a positive and some do not care.)
6. 10 gauge red wire from Delavan +12V wire (red) to output of solenoid.
7. 10 gauge black wire from battery -12 V to solenoid's coil  -12 V terminal.
8. 10 gauge black wire from battery -12 V to Delavan ground wire (black) to output of solenoid.

Chuck, from what I understand you are concerned about burning the pump or solenoid.  The power wires on the delavan are on the opposite end of the pump from where the in/out pump ports are.  Wire 6 coming from the Delavan is red & wire 8 coming from the Delavan is black.  The pressure switch wires are on the end of the pump where the in/out pump ports are.  It does not matter which wire you use because it is not polarized.  It is only a switch.  You could use the black wire from the Delavan pressure switch for wire 5.

A solenoid is just a large switch.  When you apply 12 volts to the small posts it turns the solenoid switch on and power can flow from one large post to the other.  Usually it does not matter which wire (+ or -) goes to either of the 2 small posts.  Likewise it usually does not matter which wire (+ or -) goes to either of the 2 large posts.

To experiment and prove my point, hook one wire about a foot long to the first small post.  Then hook another wire about a foot long to the 2nd small post.  Then touch the end of the wires (with about 1/4" of insulation removed) to a battery.  The solenoid should click.  That is the solenoid closing the internal switch between the 2 large posts.  If it does not click then reverse the leads from the small posts to the battery and tr again.  Most solenoids are non polarized which means you can hook the battery to either small post and the solenoid will still turn on.



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I'm assuming that this is done because the relay is fail item?
Does this make anything else fail with the Fat Boy?
thanks in advance, Tim


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Chuck my friend, you should have told me that you did not understand.  Being a former electrical engineer sometimes I take things for granted that others do not understand.I am going to show what I sent you one more time so everyone knows how.  I will try to field questions but the season has already started and we are busy working.

The line #s below correspond with the wire numbers in the attached electrical layout.

1. 10 gauge red wire from battery +12 V to one end of 40 amp circuit breaker (CB).
2. 10 gauge red wire from other end of circuit breaker to a switch.
3. 10 gauge red wire from other end of switch to input of solenoid.
4. 12 gauge red wire from input of solenoid to one end of delavan pressure switch wire.
5. 12 gauge black wire from other end of delavan pressure switch wire to solenoid's coil +12 V terminal.    (In the past Chuck, I accidentally said red)...
     ( some solenoids show a positive and some do not care.)
6. 10 gauge red wire from Delavan +12V wire (red) to output of solenoid.
7. 10 gauge black wire from battery -12 V to solenoid's coil  -12 V terminal.
8. 10 gauge black wire from battery -12 V to Delavan ground wire (black) to output of solenoid.

Chuck, from what I understand you are concerned about burning the pump or solenoid.  The power wires on the delavan are on the opposite end of the pump from where the in/out pump ports are.  Wire 6 coming from the Delavan is red & wire 8 coming from the Delavan is black.  The pressure switch wires are on the end of the pump where the in/out pump ports are.  It does not matter which wire you use because it is not polarized.  It is only a switch.  You could use the black wire from the Delavan pressure switch for wire 5.

A solenoid is just a large switch.  When you apply 12 volts to the small posts it turns the solenoid switch on and power can flow from one large post to the other.  Usually it does not matter which wire (+ or -) goes to either of the 2 small posts.  Likewise it usually does not matter which wire (+ or -) goes to either of the 2 large posts.

To experiment and prove my point, hook one wire about a foot long to the first small post.  Then hook another wire about a foot long to the 2nd small post.  Then touch the end of the wires (with about 1/4" of insulation removed) to a battery.  The solenoid should click.  That is the solenoid closing the internal switch between the 2 large posts.  If it does not click then reverse the leads from the small posts to the battery and tr again.  Most solenoids are non polarized which means you can hook the battery to either small post and the solenoid will still turn on.


Thank you Marcus. I didn't want to keep bothering you. confuse.gif

You explained it in such a way, that only a dummy could NOT figure it out!

Now, with this further explanation, I believe I can do it!

Thanks again!

I really appreciate it! biggrin.gif



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Tim McCulla wrote:

I'm assuming that this is done because the relay is fail item?
Does this make anything else fail with the Fat Boy?
thanks in advance, Tim


 Nice to meet you Tim.  Because I am so busy now I do not get to visit this board as much as I would like, but I fully support the RCIA & Chris Tucker.

Most 12 volt pumps are intermittent duty pumps.  That means they are not meant to be used continuously.  Sometimes I am on a tile roof for 6 hours cleaning it.  That heats up the components and the relay that is in the Fat Boy is the weak point followed by the pressure switch.  I have replaced the relay with a car starter solenoid like what Chuck is trying to do.  A solenoid can handle a lot more amperage and heat than a relay.  My 30 amp relays that come with fatboys were melting due to the heat so I replaced them with a solenoid.   I buy the limit switches from Mouser Electronics Qty 100 @ $1.59 ea Omron Limit Switch part # V-15-2C26-K

The Delavan fatboy was a good pump but if you want a better built, less hassle pump go with the FJR7300132A  FloJet Pentaflex Pump, 12 Volt, Viton    qty  1 @ 349.50 ea from Dultmeier.com.  Most places have to oder them then resale to you but Dultmeier.com has them in stock along with rebuilt heads which are the only thing that has ever failed on them for me.  You do not need to use a solenoid relay with a Pentaflex Pump.  However they are intermittent duty pumps.

I have now finally listened to Chris and only use 1" air pumps.  They last a lot longer and I have not had one fail yet even when I cleaned a 29,000 sq ft roof.  If you do not clean roofs over 6,000 sq ft you might want to get a 1/2" air pump.

Good Luck!



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Chuck, we have known each other through RCIA for a long time and have seen a lot of members come and go.  If you ever have a problem email me.  If I am busy I will respond when I can.  In another month I will be swamped thank goodness so try to get it running now while I am slow.   If you have to many problems with the Delavan Fatboy go with a FJR7300132A  FloJet Pentaflex Pump, 12 Volt, Viton    qty  1 @ 349.50 ea from Dultmeier.com.  It is a much better built 12 volt pump.  I wish you luck!
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Thank you Marcus. I didn't want to keep bothering you. confuse.gif

You explained it in such a way, that only a dummy could NOT figure it out!

Now, with this further explanation, I believe I can do it!

Thanks again!

I really appreciate it! biggrin.gif


 



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Marcus, I'm a former Electrical Engineer as well. I guess the natural progression from EE is roofing cleaning...LOL

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I have been using them for a few years now and have bypassed the relay failure issues I use to have.

I got the idea from Barry Landis and Brett Thompson.

You need to use a continuous solenoid same that is used for lift gates and snow plows.

The one I am using I have had for over two years.



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