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What's dreamt up Gary?

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Gary let me first say that I appreciate all you've done for this forum. That being said I get really tired of you coming in and bullying people. Like it or not we are your customers! If the members here have concerns, dammit they need to be addressed. And not addressed by you trying to act like we're a bunch of idiots.

This has been going on since last Friday. We've been given a couple of different excuses and a few of those have been debunked as impossible by experts.

Stop talking down to us and start talking to us or I will go away!!!!

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Ray,
gary wants you to go away because you are asking questions. He dosent like when guys ask questions.

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Call me nieve but, I just can't see the benifit of fielding phone calls countrywide for roof cleaning just to benifit other members here by posting leads. Phone calls just in my area take a good bit of my time so, I can just imagine how fielding calls from 50 states could be overwhelming and still have time to clean thousands of roofs. Now advertising in all the states trying to sell franchises, that would make sense to me. I have been told by a member, whose name I will not give, was approached and offered a franchise in his area. That said, there is nothing wrong with trying to sell franchises, some people lack the time and or knowledge to start up a business so franchising is a good fit for them. But for someone who is administrating a roof cleaning site to be trying to sell there wares and has the benefit of duplicating content to use on their site, THAT is what I have a problem with.

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... And to add on to that, Eric.... That knowledge that was entrusted gives them access to cities where roof cleaning is being marketed. Areas where there are members of RCIA who are paying dues and actively cleaning to support their families. And that knowledge is allowing them to DIRECTLY compete against those members.

Case in point, I'm blown away that Tallahassee is on that list and other larger metro areas are not. We're a pretty small place here, barely a blip on the radar with only about 100,000 households in our MSA.

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I don't get where you think I am bullying people or trying to make them look stupid.  All I'm trying to do/ask is that everybody chill out until some REAL facts are presented., I've been asking that since last week to NO avail. There are some on here that are hell bent on aggitating and stirring up trouble, true facts or not.  Anything the Uglies are doing is receiving NO compensation from RCIA, so anybody that thinks your dues are being used for that is gravely mistaken.

I'm out of this thread because it is going no where except down the commode, and no body, especially me needs that right now.

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Gary you need to work on your reading comprehension. Nobody said anything about the money going to the uglies.

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Then delete the damn thread since it wasted everyone time and we are freakin idiots!

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How about the ugly logo instead of the RCIA logo on the maps that got fixed, right after someone mentioned it. I think the uglies are listening, just not saying anything???

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I don't get where you think I am bullying people or trying to make them look stupid.  All I'm trying to do/ask is that everybody chill out until some REAL facts are presented., I've been asking that since last week to NO avail. There are some on here that are hell bent on aggitating and stirring up trouble, true facts or not.  Anything the Uglies are doing is receiving NO compensation from RCIA, so anybody that thinks your dues are being used for that is gravely mistaken.

I'm out of this thread because it is going no where except down the commode, and no body, especially me needs that right now.

Party on friendssmilesmile





Where do I get it from? I get it from your actions and statements. You made a nasty comment to Micheal DeRose on an earlier thread about "Reading comprehension", you banned Bill Booz for simply defending himself in an argument, and I'm sure I can go through the archives and pull out a few more examples. When someone doesn't agree with you, you tend to bully them.

As far as the dues are concerned...please follow my logic...1) my dues keeps the lights on here. I am a customer of RCIA. 2) The entity that the RCIA partners with to market ME, the RCIA, and other MEMBERS here is directly competing against us. 4) Therefor MY $$$$$ are being used to compete against me.

Here is a copy and paste from another thread form Ugly Shingles, in case you forgot:

"The adjustments were actually made offline and published for testing purposes. The RCIA logos were never supposed to be altered. However, a simple typo caused a glitch which confused most of you which lead to this "party".

The map is being created for SEO purposes. We have separate pages for each major city in the United States that we get calls off of all the time. The map will eventually represent early city and state. If we get a call that we can't handle, the lead gets posted on HERE which benefits most of YOU.

It's all very simple.... "


so yes my $$$ are being used against me.

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AC was run out of here for trying to be a vendor and a member. Explain to me what is different about what is going on here?

Also, my mind gets a little rusty, but weren't these guys part of his big ouster?

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Ray we are idiots. The uglies are trying to help us out. Hahaha.

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AC was run out of here for trying to be a vendor and a member. Explain to me what is different about what is going on here?

Also, my mind gets a little rusty, but weren't these guys part of his big ouster?


 ray it was the uglies and a few other members yes.



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The uglies just stole all of ac's marketing and then help get him banned.

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At least AC would tell you to your face he's trying to sell you something, not sneakily do an "end run" and weasel in through the back door.

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Ray i agree.

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Chris if you are willing to help I would what to put the directory on my site and I'm sure others would want to do the same. My purpose would not to sell leads or franchises but to share the leads with other qualified RCIA roof cleaners and also reap the SEO benefits it would offer.

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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Diamond Roof Cleaning New Jersey (1-800-Roof-Clean) wrote:

The uglies just stole all of ac's marketing and then help get him banned.


 AC Deleted his account here. He is a member on the new forum http://roofcleaninginstitute.org/index.php?/user/60-ac-lockyer/ biggrin  I saw when he joined. 

I sit back and read much of this stuff, and often think many of you are making the Uglies more powerful then they are.  

Sure, they want to sell franchises one day, so what ? Come up with 5 grand, and AC will hand deliver a well trained competitor to a town near you. 

Here is one he put here in Tampa http://www.squeegeesquad.com/assets/documents/soft-wash-roof-cleaning-warranty-tampa.pdf

Lori, Bob from Pressure Tek, Russ Johnson, Paul Kassander, any of them will equip your competitors!

Hell, everywhere I go in Tampa, I am faced with my own roof cleaning technology that I developed, used against me! 

The Cat is out of the Bag, and competition is  a way of life in the roof cleaning business. Get used to it.

The Uglies have done quite a lot for the RCIA, for free! As a sort of reward, I allowed them a directory.

They are just 2 guys way up in Michigan. I know for a fact they have shared several leads from that directory with people. 

I see zero evidence where they are "hurting" any RCIA Member. But, as far as that goes, every cleaning forum is a "threat" to every RCIA Member as well. 

I can not tell any of you what to do, you are all grown Men. But if it were me, I would try and stay on the good side of the Uglies. Who knows, you might get some work out of it ?

I do not think they will ever be successful at selling roof cleaning franchises. No one has ever done it,  and been successful for any length of time before.

When we can buy Fat Boy Pumps for 200.00, why pay 5 grand or more for a franchise ?

Perhaps the Uglies want a directory that places in local searches, so they can sell roof cleaning leads ?

Whatever ? Like Ted Says, it is smart of them to do what they have done. 

But, that is their business, not RCIA Business.

ANY of you guys are welcome to copy what the Uglies have done, and I will also help any RCIA Member get a directory off the ground with a link from this forum, and any other pages/forums I control.

 

 

 


 Well, what's been done, been done.

Chris would a directory on Gutterdog.com improve our site?

Links out hurts a website, Im told?



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So Chris, Its acceptable to you to have they guys here paying for inclusion in a directory, then having a map such as this come up?

Frankly if a homeowner sees that map and "Bob's Roof Cleaning Company" is on there, but they see 10 Ugly shingle logos, it MINIMIZES the value of "Bobs Roof Cleaning Company". It makes them seem po-dunk and small when compared to a company with 10 "locations" and citing the gazillions of roofs their company has cleaned.

Giving me a lead is one thing....actively soliciting leads in my market is entirely different.

I love and respect you, Chris, but I really disagree with you on this one.



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gutterdog wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Diamond Roof Cleaning New Jersey (1-800-Roof-Clean) wrote:

The uglies just stole all of ac's marketing and then help get him banned.


 AC Deleted his account here. He is a member on the new forum http://roofcleaninginstitute.org/index.php?/user/60-ac-lockyer/ biggrin  I saw when he joined. 

I sit back and read much of this stuff, and often think many of you are making the Uglies more powerful then they are.  

Sure, they want to sell franchises one day, so what ? Come up with 5 grand, and AC will hand deliver a well trained competitor to a town near you. 

Here is one he put here in Tampa http://www.squeegeesquad.com/assets/documents/soft-wash-roof-cleaning-warranty-tampa.pdf

Lori, Bob from Pressure Tek, Russ Johnson, Paul Kassander, any of them will equip your competitors!

Hell, everywhere I go in Tampa, I am faced with my own roof cleaning technology that I developed, used against me! 

The Cat is out of the Bag, and competition is  a way of life in the roof cleaning business. Get used to it.

The Uglies have done quite a lot for the RCIA, for free! As a sort of reward, I allowed them a directory.

They are just 2 guys way up in Michigan. I know for a fact they have shared several leads from that directory with people. 

I see zero evidence where they are "hurting" any RCIA Member. But, as far as that goes, every cleaning forum is a "threat" to every RCIA Member as well. 

I can not tell any of you what to do, you are all grown Men. But if it were me, I would try and stay on the good side of the Uglies. Who knows, you might get some work out of it ?

I do not think they will ever be successful at selling roof cleaning franchises. No one has ever done it,  and been successful for any length of time before.

When we can buy Fat Boy Pumps for 200.00, why pay 5 grand or more for a franchise ?

Perhaps the Uglies want a directory that places in local searches, so they can sell roof cleaning leads ?

Whatever ? Like Ted Says, it is smart of them to do what they have done. 

But, that is their business, not RCIA Business.

ANY of you guys are welcome to copy what the Uglies have done, and I will also help any RCIA Member get a directory off the ground with a link from this forum, and any other pages/forums I control.

 

 

 


 Well, what's been done, been done.

Chris would a directory on Gutterdog.com improve our site?

Links out hurts a website, Im told?


 It would just be friends that give me a couple g. lol!

if it is gonna hurt MY ranking.



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