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Gary, like Bill said, charge more. 850 feet of fence 6 foot high is a huge job.

I did a fence this year half that size and went through 30 gallons of ReadySeal. You will probably need 60 gallons.

I would have bid this job in the $4250 - $5000 range.

Most experienced wood restoration professionals use the three step process.

My personal mix is as follows

1) sodium percarbonate - 6 ounces/gallon, sodium hydroxide 1 ounce/gallon, add a little dawn or ammonyx lo
2) power wash 500-1000 psi, 8-9 gallons/min.
3) oxalic acid- 6 ounces/gallon

Dave's recommendation of mixing 8 ounces/gallon of SP is a little overkill and you will have a hard time getting to dissolve completely without hot water. Adding sodium hydroxide will help the percarbonate dissolve better and allows you to mix it in cold water because it creates heat or causes an exothermic reaction and gives the total mix more cleaning power.

Apply chemical mixed in separate tanks with a 12V pump, power wash with a high volume pressure washer 8+gpms, and apply stain using ReadySeal you will not have to back brush and you can also use a 12V pump to spray it with a 4010 nozzle.

Six of the most experienced wood restoration guys I know of are:

Beth & Rod Rodriguez- See Dirt Run
Celeste & Roger Gothrop- Carolina Pro Wash
Pete Marantey & Tracy Handl- Sunbrite Supply

P.S. Cleaning and Sealing Cedar Shake roofs should also follow the same process.

 Fence - before and after.jpg



-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Pro Greensboro NC (336)362 7659 on Saturday 24th of September 2011 03:02:44 PM

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Gary-thank you for starting this thread, it is VERY educational. Mike Sullivan-thanks for giving Gary such an informative reply. (BTW it's nice to see you posting again.) Bill-it's good that you're still transparent. I never read the E-Myth Revisited until I saw it recommended on this forum, but one of the biggest things I took away from it was that in business you need consistency. I'm glad that you're consistent.

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No sweat Art. I am considering talking to Chris about having RCIA certified members take a separate online test and verbal test over the phone on wood restoration, because I see some guys have not taken the good advice experienced wood restoration professionals have posted on the board and are cleaning cedar shake roofs basically the same as asphalt shingle roofs, which is inadequate and unacceptable.

Wood is totally different from asphalt shingles and steps to become properly educated on learning a completely different trade should be taken more seriously.

Here's the wolman website I learned from back in 2004 and took the online certification test.  Also a couple more links for members to research.
www.wolman.com

www.seedirtrun.com/

www.pressurewashingpro.com/woodcare.htm


This would be a good start.

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Gary, like Bill said, charge more. 850 feet of fence 6 foot high is a huge job.

I did a fence this year half that size and went through 30 gallons of ReadySeal. You will probably need 60 gallons.

I would have bid this job in the $4250 - $5000 range.

Most experienced wood restoration professionals use the three step process.

My personal mix is as follows

1) sodium percarbonate - 6 ounces/gallon, sodium hydroxide 1 ounce/gallon, add a little dawn or ammonyx lo
2) power wash 500-1000 psi, 8-9 gallons/min.
3) oxalic acid- 6 ounces/gallon

Dave's recommendation of mixing 8 ounces/gallon of SP is a little overkill and you will have a hard time getting to dissolve completely without hot water. Adding sodium hydroxide will help the percarbonate dissolve better and allows you to mix it in cold water because it creates heat or causes an exothermic reaction and gives the total mix more cleaning power.

Apply chemical mixed in separate tanks with a 12V pump, power wash with a high volume pressure washer 8+gpms, and apply stain using ReadySeal you will not have to back brush and you can also use a 12V pump to spray it with a 4010 nozzle.

Six of the most experienced wood restoration guys I know of are:

Beth & Rod Rodriguez- See Dirt Run
Celeste & Roger Gothrop- Carolina Pro Wash
Pete Marantey & Tracy Handl- Sunbrite Supply

P.S. Cleaning and Sealing Cedar Shake roofs should also follow the same process.

 Fence - before and after.jpg



-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Pro Greensboro NC (336)362 7659 on Saturday 24th of September 2011 03:02:44 PM


 goodpost good seeing you post mike



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This certificate is NO Joke!!! Glad I got Mine!!! Phew!!!



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gutterdog wrote:

This certificate is NO Joke!!! Glad I got Mine!!! Phew!!!


 Wellllll it kinda is. I got mine about 20 years ago. Unless they changed it it was super easy to get. You didn't need to be a rocket scientist (or a chemist for that matter) to answer all the questions right.



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Well it must be different, I thought it was tough. lol!!! Maybe that where my understanding was then?

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Well it must be different, I thought it was tough. lol!!! Maybe that where my understanding was then?


 Somebody else check this test out and give some feed back. I think the link was above some where.

 If this is a cake test you should get it for yourself.

 EDIT: Nuther piece of paper.



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I just took it. It is harder but I still didn't miss one.



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I just took it. It is harder but I still didn't miss one.


 Hmmm...

 

 EDIT: Well maybe now I could go do same as you?  Alot of stuff on that test I explain to customer. Really makes them feel safe and what to expect.

 At the time I took it, Wolman Cert. It's important to me! Helps me sell.

 I use it, brothers that read this, pass the test and add deck cleaning to you roofs!



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At the beach there are a few houses with decks on top of their roofs.

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At the beach there are a few houses with decks on top of their roofs.


 I got a buddy that does those! only seen before and afters, dont know how he does the ladders?



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I just took it. It is harder but I still didn't miss one.


 Talk is cheap! lol!!! you have a digital camera right? If not go to staples and fax it to me! lol!!! I think its 50 cent? I wanna see it! YOUR wolman cert!



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Funny thing is Gutter. I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. I could care less if you believe me or not.



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Funny thing is Gutter. I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. I could care less if you believe me or not.


 Glad you are here. Put a smile on my face everytime get into it! Luv ya Brother!



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Just wanted to throw one thing out there, if you did a test spot with your roof mix and a surface cleaner and didn't see much of a difference, I would be shocked if that fence is truly untreated right now as you suspect.  

 

Yes, sodium percarb is better for wood, but SH and a surface cleaner ought to have torn thru all the midlew, dirt and gray weathered wood. I just don't want you to be in for a surprise when you get into the project.  I have seen gray stains, and I have seen green stains, that I honestly didn't know were even on the surface till I started cleaning it. 



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