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I have been asked not to speak against competitors who put down our roof cleaning method
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So, I will do as asked. It's not my forum.

This is the last I will bring up [start-not reply] about our competitors lie tactics, so it's gonna get a little boring from now on, just taking their insults, but not being able to start a post to speak a word back.

I spoke to the owner of Roof-A-Cide about the below post from Roof-A-Cide and he apparantly contacted Chris, so because they are friends, he asked me not to speak against them or any other methods in competition with us.

I have to say my final words though, because that's me!

This is what Roof-A-Cide says, Chris's friend, that I can no longer start posts about:

Protect Your Property by Learning About Your Roof Cleaning Choices

 

Most Inexperienced Roof Cleaning contractors here in Florida are using high-strength Chlorine Bleach (Pool Chlorine) because it is cheap, fast, and easy – but There Are Much Safer and More Effective Ways to Maintain Your Roof. 

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Roof Damage Caused by Repeated use of Chlorine Bleach
Extremely High-Strength Chlorine Bleach solutions usually will not do noticeable damage to actual asphalt roof shingles or concrete roof tiles, but they will do irreversible damage to almost everything else that comprises a roof system – fixtures, flashings, fasteners, gutters, and most importantly the underlayment that covers the roof and serves as the actual waterproofing for your home. This damage usually goes unnoticed for years before the homeowner realizes a problem.

 

This is why you do not see reputable Roofing Professionals using or advocating this dangerous method – but you will find them using other methods that are safer for the roof, safer for the environment, and APPROVED by Roofing Manufacturers.

 

 

  • FACT: Both Bleach and TSP will corrode metal (even in weak concentrations) and High-Strength Chlorine Bleach (Pool Chlorine) will accelerate the damage – especially when the roof is not rinsed properly.

 

  • FACT: Not One Roofing Manufacturer in the US recommends the High-Strength Chlorine Bleach solutions that are being used all over Florida and increasingly throughout the US.

 

  • FACT: Roofing Manufacturers have approved many safer alternatives to Chlorine Bleach for cleaning roofs, but as a matter of policy most are restricted from endorsing a particular product.

 

  • FACT: Roofing Manufacturers have approved a number of products that will PREVENT roof stains, but as a matter of policy most are restricted from endorsing a particular product.
  • FACT: Roof-A-Cide has been approved for cleaning and PREVENTION by Monier Lifetile (Boral), GAF Materials, and Metro Roof Products - among others.
  • FACT: Roof-A-Cide is used by some of the Most Successful and Respected Roofing Professionals in Florida!

 

 

Note: When you are dealing with a contractor that cites a guideline drafted by the ARMA (The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association) over 30 years ago to promote bleach as “The Standard” that ALL ROOF MANUFACTURERS recommend – you should know that they fully intend to ignore any actual guidelines and use Pool Chlorine in much higher concentrations that Not One Roofing Manufacturer in the U.S. would considerer to be safe for their products! When their only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.


-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Sunday 4th of September 2011 10:17:49 AM

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Such BS... These companies maybe should be sued for false advertisement, I would love to see some valid research to back up their claims not just pics of a valley being torn out... That is no proof at all, how do I know that a guy pressure washing/surface cleaner didn't step into the valley and break some tiles.
I need to grab some roofing materials and put em in a jar of pure SH.

BTW:
Here is the only info from MonierLifetile : which does not mention anything other than SH.

http://www.monierlifetile.com/technicaltools/pdf/15CleaningandMaintenance.pdf

 

The Tile Roofing Institute offers no specific method of cleaning

(located at the bottom  of  the page

http://www.tileroofing.org/content_ektid1904.aspx?bMenu=142

Anyone have any other factual pros or cons on these claims from  the "others"

As far as Chris goes, I understand his position or getting into any legalities from the "others"  

So in personal advertising Chuck I would have an attorney advise what they can or cannot do as well as an advisor for all your advertisement, unfortunately many guys are sue happy and Chuck your too good of a guy to get slammed with the hassle.  Let your reputation, years of knowledge and superior workmanship be your sales strong hold.

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Several times I've seen where these folks claim that the ARMA guidelines are '30 years old'. The doc that I have is dated, by ARMA, for 2009 I believe?

The roof in this picture below was done with Roof-Suicide just three years ago.  3 years!  I know this for a fact because the 'former' roof cleaner that did it is a friend of mine.  I cleaned it the proper way to honor HIS roof-a-cide warranty.  It's a fact.

Larry - on another note - say the word re the MC debacle and I think the RCIA Army will muster quite quickly. 

  

 



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Now let me get this straight???? He cries to Chris about Chuck doing the same thing he is.Then he posts false reviews.He can continue to make false claims against our methods but not take down his false statements????
I say NO Way! Take his 5hit down first!!! Then we might consider it.
I'm pretty sure that your postings are true and accurate and not slanderous.As his are.
I never understood why someone would need to tear another down to make themselves look good.If you can't stand on your own merits then there is something wrong with you,not the other guy.

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Why throw rocks if he lives in a glass house? If he is slamming our methods, then we should be able to say what we feel about their methods. Personally, I don't slam anyone's method, but I don't understand why Chuck can't say what he wants when his way of cleaning roofs is being criticized and attacked by another company.

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Why throw rocks if he lives in a glass house? If he is slamming our methods, then we should be able to say what we feel about their methods. Personally, I don't slam anyone's method, but I don't understand why Chuck can't say what he wants when his way of cleaning roofs is being criticized and attacked by another company.


Thanks, my feeling is that if we allow them to put us down in ad after ad all over the internet and the #1 Roof Cleaning website on the internet, RCIA, has no reply for them, it's like admitting they are right and we do use 80-100% chlorine to clean roofs, that our mixes do damage roofing, or that without an after treatment of Roof-suiside { name has been changed to protect the innocent-ME! } a roof clean won't last for 2 years.

Do a google search for "Green Roof Cleaning" and read all the lies about us. Most of them, including roof-suiside use putting us down as their main sales point!

I take such lies about my business personal.



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Now let me get this straight???? He cries to Chris about Chuck doing the same thing he is.Then he posts false reviews.He can continue to make false claims against our methods but not take down his false statements????
I say NO Way! Take his 5hit down first!!! Then we might consider it.
I'm pretty sure that your postings are true and accurate and not slanderous.As his are.
I never understood why someone would need to tear another down to make themselves look good.If you can't stand on your own merits then there is something wrong with you,not the other guy.


Yes, the roof-a-guy emailed me and complained. I copied and pasted derogatory statements fron roof-a guy and showed him why I had to post a retort.

He sent me a picture of 2 rusty nails and said that was proof of the damage we cause and that he needed to make homeowners and HOA's aware of this!

This is a nasty roof-guy ad http://professionalroofcleaning.blogspot.com/

This is part of what they say from the main page

"Roof Cleaning is common in Florida and so is the Damage associated with it. As Roof Cleaning becomes more common throughout the US, Homeowners and Property Managers are learning what people in Florida have known for years:
Roof-A-Cide® is a More Cost-Effective and Much
Safer Alternative to Roof Cleaning.

 

BACKGROUND
In Florida, many homeowners’ associations and even some municipalities requiring periodic "roof cleaning", but the damage caused by most traditional methods has become a problem that demands a different alternative. Traditional cleaning typically involves chlorine bleach or pressure cleaning – both of which have been known to cause unnecessary and sometimes extensive damage to the roof and surrounding property. In addition, these methods yield results that typically last only 6-12 months. Many homeowners in Florida now expect to replace their roofs after only 12-15 years rather than 25-30 simply because of the damage caused by repeated cleaning."

{ This complaint on the web is interesting though- http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/roof-a-cide-c224804.html }



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Just noticed. The roof-a-guy now has a link to a post Chris Tucker made here to prove their point.
I never did understand Chris' post?
http://roof-a-cide.com/images/ARMA_RCIA1.pdf
The above is on the Roof-A-Guy blog, here- http://professionalroofcleaning.blogspot.com/

WE ARE UNDER A ROOF-A-GUY ATTACK. Chris is under personal attack by the Roof-A-Guy.

So, we should stay quiet?



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Chuck - didn't someone on the RCIA post the MSDS for Roof-a-whatchamacallit a while back? I thought it was largely sodium hydroxide?  If so, that'll speak volumes, right? 



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WOW,I just read the link.He is using Chris's forum against him and he is OK with that????!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
It's ON!!!!!!!!!!

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Check this out http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/roof-a-cide-c224804.html

Nothing but copper sulfate

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Chuck - didn't someone on the RCIA post the MSDS for Roof-a-whatchamacallit a while back? I thought it was largely sodium hydroxide?  If so, that'll speak volumes, right? 


I don't remember Ted? I thought that was Pray and Forget or Ox crap?

I'm not sure, but I think Roof-a-suiside is just copper sulfate?

If after paying them to clean your roof [the only pictures I have run into of the Roof-A-Suiside guys cleaning, I saw what appeared to be a black pressure washing hose on the roof] then paying them again, to walk all over your roof again and spray on the Roof-A-Suicide and then getting only a 2 years warranty, I don't know what makes anyone buy into it?

{ This complaint on the web is interesting though- http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/roof-a-cide-c224804.html }



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aaron61 wrote:

WOW,I just read the link.He is using Chris's forum against him and he is OK with that????!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
It's ON!!!!!!!!!!


I think Chris is not aware of that.

I had to go reread it to understand the point.

I understand it, but it was not a good point to have been made on the open forum and the results are that it's being used against Chris now by his "nice guy" friend John's  roof-a-suicide company.

Chris told me not to speak against Roof-a Suicide, because the owner John, is his old friend and a nice guy.

With friends like that, Chris don't need any enemies. Roof-A-Suicide has that covered for him.



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http://www.ptstate.com/index.php?topic=3458.0

 

And read this one:: Hmmm. a bad actor  _YES

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=06667500004&DIST_NR=081322

 

PAN Bad Actor Product

This field indicates whether a pesticide product contains PAN Bad Actor chemicals. Bad Actors are pesticides that are one of the following: known or probable carcinogens, reproductive or developmental toxicants, cholinesterase inhibitors, known groundwater contaminants or acutely toxic poisons.

Because the acute toxicity of the product is dependent on the concentration of the active ingredient, the acute toxicity rating (i.e., the U.S. EPA Acute Hazard Warning Label) of the product (not the pure active ingredient) is used to determine PAN Bad Actor Product status in the Acute Toxicity category. For all other categories, the Bad Actor properties of the individual chemicals are applied to the product.

 

and don't forget to check the ac ute hazard warning...  listed as a  1 on th e scale.

1x1transp.gifPesticide product information
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Top of page


U.S. EPA
Warning Label

 
Acute Toxicity to Rats

Category

PAN Narrative Rating

 

Warning Label

 

 

Oral LD50 (mg/kg)

 

Dermal LD50 (mg/kg)

 

Inhalation LC50 (mg/L)

 

Eye Effects

 

Skin Effects

 

1
Highly Toxic

 

Danger-Poison*

 

 

‹ 50

 

‹ 200

 

‹ 0.05

 

-----

 

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1
Highly Toxic

 

Danger

 

 

‹ 50

 

‹ 200

 

‹ 0.05

Corrosive (irreversible destruction of ocular tissue) or corneal involvement or irritation persisting for more than 21 days

 

Corrosive (tissue destruction into the dermis and/or scarring)




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I would like to hear from Chris Tucker on this subject................

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Seems to be an issue around the internet for the last 6 years:

 

http://www.contractortalk.com/f24/making-old-roof-look-like-new-3048/

 

http://www.cleaningtalk.com/f23/roof-cide-255/


 
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im with you no one ever has anything nice to say about the people,i guess the people turn off the product,i wouldnt buy it if not buying it would put me out of buisness ,i would rather be broke than miserable dealing with them....but thats just me
I still have the email from a year and a half ago when Mr. Browne threatened to put me out of business by setting up an applicator at a discounted rate in my area. I'm still waiting. LOL. The guy's a loon who makes claims about others' practices that can't be substantiated. ANY of us who clean roofs with sodium hypochlorite know they don't get dirty again in 6 months....that's an outright lie, an attempt to mislead potential customers. Why do business with a liar?

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Seems to be bad news from many other boards Chuck!!

It goess on and on and and ON>>>> WOW and I thought my guy was bad..

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He has been banned from many, many other boards.
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Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 wrote:

http://www.ptstate.com/index.php?topic=3458.0

 

And read this one:: Hmmm. a bad actor  _YES

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=06667500004&DIST_NR=081322

 

PAN Bad Actor Product

This field indicates whether a pesticide product contains PAN Bad Actor chemicals. Bad Actors are pesticides that are one of the following: known or probable carcinogens, reproductive or developmental toxicants, cholinesterase inhibitors, known groundwater contaminants or acutely toxic poisons.

Because the acute toxicity of the product is dependent on the concentration of the active ingredient, the acute toxicity rating (i.e., the U.S. EPA Acute Hazard Warning Label) of the product (not the pure active ingredient) is used to determine PAN Bad Actor Product status in the Acute Toxicity category. For all other categories, the Bad Actor properties of the individual chemicals are applied to the product.

 

and don't forget to check the ac ute hazard warning...  listed as a  1 on th e scale.

1x1transp.gifPesticide product information
1x1transp.gif

 


Top of page


U.S. EPA
Warning Label

 
Acute Toxicity to Rats

Category

PAN Narrative Rating

 

Warning Label

 

 

Oral LD50 (mg/kg)

 

Dermal LD50 (mg/kg)

 

Inhalation LC50 (mg/L)

 

Eye Effects

 

Skin Effects

 

1
Highly Toxic

 

Danger-Poison*

 

 

‹ 50

 

‹ 200

 

‹ 0.05

 

-----

 

-----

 

1
Highly Toxic

 

Danger

 

 

‹ 50

 

‹ 200

 

‹ 0.05

Corrosive (irreversible destruction of ocular tissue) or corneal involvement or irritation persisting for more than 21 days

 

Corrosive (tissue destruction into the dermis and/or scarring)




-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 on Sunday 4th of September 2011 04:36:14 PM


 I think I will put links to these on my website :)

 



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I think I've seen stray rusted nails on 50% of the roofs I have cleaned, and I mean BEFORE cleaning. I don't understand how this guy thinks a rusted nail can only mean damage by a non-pressure roof cleaner. Booooooo

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Wow this is a heavy post. Still no reply from Chris Tucker though Hmmm. Friend or not this guy is a liar.

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