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Aug 1, 2011

RE: New pump problems

Aug 1, 2011

Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Mine is upside down protecting the motor of the pump just in case of leaks so it doesn't fry my motor......I've also never really had a prob with heat just leave the door open on my box, I think it would go faster sitting in the straight sun....... And the Y's work for me for now, till I feel like changing it up again. This set-up works great for me and I have no problems when working, very easy truck to work out of for me.

I hope you didn't take my thoughts as an insult? confuse

It most definately was not meant to be! aww

I was just hoping to give you "my" heads up, in case you had never thought of what I mentioned. hmm

A few years ago, I tried the box idea myself, but I felt with very little airflow, my pump was running way too hot.

If it works good for you, that's all that matters! biggrin

Sorry if I came across badly. cry

Skyline Roof Cleaning Virginia · Guest

Didn't come across bad to me, Chuck. Will's a good guy - I don't think he took it that way.

I have some ideas from both of you here, and from Marcus's setup.

Thanks.

Aug 1, 2011

Skyline Roof Cleaning Virginia wrote:
Didn't come across bad to me, Chuck. Will's a good guy - I don't think he took it that way.
I have some ideas from both of you here, and from Marcus's setup.
Thanks.

Thanks Al. It's hard sometimes to post something and not come across wrongly. cry

It's especially hard for me. I am a very "TO THE POINT" talker! hmm

Man! If I just lived somewhere, where you can get good money for roof cleaning and pressure washing, I'd sure like to own a pretty setup like Marcus has!

Mine is just a work horse setup. It's like number 7 rig since 1989. They all started out pretty once upon a time!

This trailer is a 2007 and made of square tubing steel / not the L channel steel, so it's gonna be "not pretty" for a long time! biggrin

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Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Skyline Roof Cleaning Virginia wrote:
I am in awe of those pictures guys! Thank you for posting them!
Is that a stainless-steel tank Marcus, or painted? If stainless, why was that chosen? Looks very sharp. Of course, now I have rig envy.
Like you mentioned, Chuck, I thought to mount the motor side down, connections up. Seemed logical to me, as you said. Gave it a re-think, though, and caught it in time before mounting. It's like yours now. The placement of yours looks convenient.
I was wondering the same thing about that silver tank!
It looks like it's painted silver, to keep the sun from working against the SH.
Smart Idea! How did you prepare and paint that tank Marcus? I'm wondering what can be done to prep a poly tank to make it hold paint and what kind of paint you used?
That picture of mine was an older one. It was a temporary setup-as I was trying out a few new thoughts. Now it's setup in the exact manner [mounted upside down on a board / a lomh steel rod mounted on the board on 1 side and a shory one on the other-fitted into 2 drilled holes in my trailer rail. Keeps it sturdy and lets it get lots of air-to keep it cool.
Last night I made a "sun cover" that pops in and out-to keep it even cooler.
When cleaning tile roofs using 45% SH and the 96 degree Florida sun beating on the pump, that thing gets very hot! I think that's the #1 cause of failure-on average.
Here is a picture of my pump today-hardwired in with 12 gauge wire / on off switch / fuse. Also a picture of my prototype sun sheild-made from 3/4" foil backed insulation board. I just need to find a way to "de-ugly-fy" it.

Chuck I want to paint my tanks yellow, I have a real ha-d on for yellow, I think I will try rustolium for plastic

Aug 1, 2011

Roof Cleaning Lanoka Harbor NJ 609-971-6553 wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Skyline Roof Cleaning Virginia wrote:
I am in awe of those pictures guys! Thank you for posting them!
Is that a stainless-steel tank Marcus, or painted? If stainless, why was that chosen? Looks very sharp. Of course, now I have rig envy.
Like you mentioned, Chuck, I thought to mount the motor side down, connections up. Seemed logical to me, as you said. Gave it a re-think, though, and caught it in time before mounting. It's like yours now. The placement of yours looks convenient.
I was wondering the same thing about that silver tank!
It looks like it's painted silver, to keep the sun from working against the SH.
Smart Idea! How did you prepare and paint that tank Marcus? I'm wondering what can be done to prep a poly tank to make it hold paint and what kind of paint you used?
That picture of mine was an older one. It was a temporary setup-as I was trying out a few new thoughts. Now it's setup in the exact manner [mounted upside down on a board / a lomh steel rod mounted on the board on 1 side and a shory one on the other-fitted into 2 drilled holes in my trailer rail. Keeps it sturdy and lets it get lots of air-to keep it cool.
Last night I made a "sun cover" that pops in and out-to keep it even cooler.
When cleaning tile roofs using 45% SH and the 96 degree Florida sun beating on the pump, that thing gets very hot! I think that's the #1 cause of failure-on average.
Here is a picture of my pump today-hardwired in with 12 gauge wire / on off switch / fuse. Also a picture of my prototype sun sheild-made from 3/4" foil backed insulation board. I just need to find a way to "de-ugly-fy" it.
Chuck I want to paint my tanks yellow, I have a real ha-d on for yellow, I think I will try rustolium for plastic

Clyde, I can see why you want yellow, with that yellow truck!

The reason I asked Marcus, is because getting paint to stay on a poly tank, is no easy task! If you just paint it with Rustoleum etc, you will see it start falling off in no time and it will just be ugly. I have been a licensed painting contractor since 1978 and I have had a lot of experiences!

Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 · Aug 1, 2011

That is a poly tank painted with Chrome spray paint from Lowes hardware store. I mentioned this idea a long time ago. Silver reflects heat waves & light. It gets warm inside the tank but not hot like it used to so the SH lasts longer. Heat & the ultraviolet rays of the sun turn SH back to seawater. The tank has to constantly be repainted as SH does wonders to it...

Pumps need to be in the shade. Direct sunlight will overheat them. It may be hard to see but mine are shaded by the hose reel (Delavan pump) & a plate of metal (Flojet Pentaflex pump).

The two All Flow pumps (Lori @ PWP) that are mounted to the plate of metal that I just mentioned. Due to the pulsation of the All Flow pumps, I only use them for backup and transfer pumps of SH between containers. I prefer 12 volt Delavan Fat Boys or Flojet Pentaflex pumps. All pumps are on quick disconnects so that they can be changed out quickly.

I have a 3 way Banjo (AC / Delux) valve that takes either water that is sucked through a filter (Lori @ PWP) from the water tank or SH that is sucked through a filter (Lori @ PWP) from the Chrome SH tank.

Then the solution goes through a Banjo filter (AC / Delux) and then to an SH pump.

The output of the SH pump goes to a 3 way Banjo valve so that it can either be used to flush out the system & get air bubbles out or go to a 4 way adapter (AC / Delux). and then into the electric Titan hose reel (Lori @ PWP).

I use the 4 way adapter to mount a pressure guage (a must have) and a metering jet so that I can inject Greenwash straight into my mix by way of a Shurflow pump. The Greenwash is held in the white poly tank under my SH pumps and hose reels. This kit is another of AC's inventions that I bought from Delux so that I do not mix anything but water with my SH.

Not so obvious is that this is a dual battery system using a battery switch (AC / Delux) to supply power. Both batteries are trickled charged at night (Greg Nash's idea) by a ProMariner 12Volt Dual battery charger.

I use 6 guage wire with as many thin strands of wire(ie welding wire) as I could find to wire everything together. This prevents voltage drops over long wiring cables due to a lot electric devices on this rig. ie. All 3 hose reels have electric motors, the two pressure washers are electric start, and there is an on board computer system in the tool box so that I can remotely start/stop the pressure washers and controll the injection of chemicals for power washing.

This is my 4th rig since I have been in business. It was designed over 16 years and I hope the design will help others to design their rigs.

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Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Mine is upside down protecting the motor of the pump just in case of leaks so it doesn't fry my motor......I've also never really had a prob with heat just leave the door open on my box, I think it would go faster sitting in the straight sun....... And the Y's work for me for now, till I feel like changing it up again. This set-up works great for me and I have no problems when working, very easy truck to work out of for me.
I hope you didn't take my thoughts as an insult?
It most definately was not meant to be!
I was just hoping to give you "my" heads up, in case you had never thought of what I mentioned.
A few years ago, I tried the box idea myself, but I felt with very little airflow, my pump was running way too hot.
If it works good for you, that's all that matters!
Sorry if I came across badly.

No Sir Mr.Chuck, not at all...it takes quite abit to offend me, just clearing some stuff up is all. I've been using this set-up since september without a prob of overheating, I don't like the idea of my pump being locked away in a box but it still looks and runs like new.

I think if your running smaller hose than 5/8 or 3/4 your pump is prolly gonna get hot anyways, wether it be in a box or not...when I talked to the gentleman at Delaven he said you don't wanna restrict flow to much or that could cause limit switch probs and overheating.

Chuck when I get offended you will know this....lol

Have you ever seen Me Myself and Irene, when he's checking out in the grocery store....That will be me one day...lol

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Nice rig Marcus!! I remember that topic about painting your tank, they do get really hot baking in the sun.....especially in TX, I remember my mix came out so hot one time it felt as if my mix was in the boiling temps!!

Aug 1, 2011

Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Mine is upside down protecting the motor of the pump just in case of leaks so it doesn't fry my motor......I've also never really had a prob with heat just leave the door open on my box, I think it would go faster sitting in the straight sun....... And the Y's work for me for now, till I feel like changing it up again. This set-up works great for me and I have no problems when working, very easy truck to work out of for me.
I hope you didn't take my thoughts as an insult?
It most definately was not meant to be!
I was just hoping to give you "my" heads up, in case you had never thought of what I mentioned.
A few years ago, I tried the box idea myself, but I felt with very little airflow, my pump was running way too hot.
If it works good for you, that's all that matters!
Sorry if I came across badly.
No Sir Mr.Chuck, not at all...it takes quite abit to offend me, just clearing some stuff up is all. I've been using this set-up since september without a prob of overheating, I don't like the idea of my pump being locked away in a box but it still looks and runs like new.
I think if your running smaller hose than 5/8 or 3/4 your pump is prolly gonna get hot anyways, wether it be in a box or not...when I talked to the gentleman at Delaven he said you don't wanna restrict flow to much or that could cause limit switch probs and overheating.
Chuck when I get offended you will know this....lol
Have you ever seen Me Myself and Irene, when he's checking out in the grocery store....That will be me one day...lol

OK! Great! You mean thsi?=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjMwiOm8sA&feature=autoplay&list=PLC52BC91D0BE2B01D&index=22&playnext=2

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Yes sir, Thats gonna be me all the way!!

Maverick Contracting · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Mine is upside down protecting the motor of the pump just in case of leaks so it doesn't fry my motor......I've also never really had a prob with heat just leave the door open on my box, I think it would go faster sitting in the straight sun....... And the Y's work for me for now, till I feel like changing it up again. This set-up works great for me and I have no problems when working, very easy truck to work out of for me.

Sorry if I came across badly.

Chuck when I get offended you will know this....lol
Have you ever seen Me Myself and Irene, when he's checking out in the grocery store....That will be me one day...lol
OK! Great! You mean thsi?=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjMwiOm8sA&feature=autoplay&list=PLC52BC91D0BE2B01D&index=22&playnext=2

Will, Chuck as long as you don't go this far I'll still respect you guys.

Warning, most disturbing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PugEQugzVIY&feature=related

Aug 1, 2011

Maverick Contracting wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Mine is upside down protecting the motor of the pump just in case of leaks so it doesn't fry my motor......I've also never really had a prob with heat just leave the door open on my box, I think it would go faster sitting in the straight sun....... And the Y's work for me for now, till I feel like changing it up again. This set-up works great for me and I have no problems when working, very easy truck to work out of for me.

Sorry if I came across badly.

Chuck when I get offended you will know this....lol
Have you ever seen Me Myself and Irene, when he's checking out in the grocery store....That will be me one day...lol
OK! Great! You mean thsi?=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjMwiOm8sA&feature=autoplay&list=PLC52BC91D0BE2B01D&index=22&playnext=2
Will, Chuck as long as you don't go this far I'll still respect you guys.
Warning, most disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PugEQugzVIY&feature=related

Well, that was pleasant.

Never saw that movie. Don't look like I missed much! confuse

Aug 1, 2011

Roof Cleaning New Braunfels TX 830-660-9849 wrote:
Yes sir, Thats gonna be me all the way!!

biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

Aug 1, 2011

Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 wrote:
That is a poly tank painted with Chrome spray paint from Lowes hardware store. I mentioned this idea a long time ago. Silver reflects heat waves & light. It gets warm inside the tank but not hot like it used to so the SH lasts longer. Heat & the ultraviolet rays of the sun turn SH back to seawater. The tank has to constantly be repainted as SH does wonders to it...
Pumps need to be in the shade. Direct sunlight will overheat them. It may be hard to see but mine are shaded by the hose reel (Delavan pump) & a plate of metal (Flojet Pentaflex pump).
The two All Flow pumps (Lori @ PWP) that are mounted to the plate of metal that I just mentioned. Due to the pulsation of the All Flow pumps, I only use them for backup and transfer pumps of SH between containers. I prefer 12 volt Delavan Fat Boys or Flojet Pentaflex pumps. All pumps are on quick disconnects so that they can be changed out quickly.
I have a 3 way Banjo (AC / Delux) valve that takes either water that is sucked through a filter (Lori @ PWP) from the water tank or SH that is sucked through a filter (Lori @ PWP) from the Chrome SH tank.
Then the solution goes through a Banjo filter (AC / Delux) and then to an SH pump.
The output of the SH pump goes to a 3 way Banjo valve so that it can either be used to flush out the system & get air bubbles out or go to a 4 way adapter (AC / Delux). and then into the electric Titan hose reel (Lori @ PWP).
I use the 4 way adapter to mount a pressure guage (a must have) and a metering jet so that I can inject Greenwash straight into my mix by way of a Shurflow pump. The Greenwash is held in the white poly tank under my SH pumps and hose reels. This kit is another of AC's inventions that I bought from Delux so that I do not mix anything but water with my SH.
Not so obvious is that this is a dual battery system using a battery switch (AC / Delux) to supply power. Both batteries are trickled charged at night (Greg Nash's idea) by a ProMariner 12Volt Dual battery charger.
I use 6 guage wire with as many thin strands of wire(ie welding wire) as I could find to wire everything together. This prevents voltage drops over long wiring cables due to a lot electric devices on this rig. ie. All 3 hose reels have electric motors, the two pressure washers are electric start, and there is an on board computer system in the tool box so that I can remotely start/stop the pressure washers and controll the injection of chemicals for power washing.
This is my 4th rig since I have been in business. It was designed over 16 years and I hope the design will help others to design their rigs.

That is REALLY quite impressive!

Some questions:

How did you prep the poly tank before you sprayed it silver? Has it peeled etc at all?

You said "All pumps are on quick disconnects so that they can be changed out quickly."

I used to have mine set up that way, but if you mean pressure washing quck connects? I stopped using them because they restrict the flow at the quick connect points. Don't you feel that way? Or are you using something different, you call quick connects?

Also, you mentioned "I use the 4 way adapter to mount a pressure guage (a must have) and a metering jet so that I can inject Greenwash straight into my mix by way of a Shurflow pump."

Can you explain that for us a little more? I would like to be able to "inject" my Ammonyx Lo etc. Got pictures of how that's set up?

Thanks! This is very interesting! You got a fancy, smart rig there Marcus!

Maverick Contracting · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

If you abrade the poly tank and make sure its entirely grease free with some Wil-Bond or Methy alch. you can prime it with a 100% acrylic bonding primer before a chrome paint would be your best bet.

Or look into ceramic paints, paint additive which have great insulating properties. their are some cheap additives/paints that that talk a good game but don't perform well.

And I did warn you chuck evileye

-- Edited by Maverick Contracting on Monday 1st of August 2011 11:01:30 PM

Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 · Aug 1, 2011

Believe it or not, I sprayed brake cleaner on the tank and rubbed all of the contaminants off of it with a towell. Then I sprayed the tank with Chrome paint. No primer. No problem with it sticking but SH fades it. A lot of repaint was necessary till we learned to be more careful not to spill anything on the tank. Now you know why there are 3 hoses going into the tank from above with bulkheads.

No aint peel yet (1 yr).

I used to use 1/2" SS pressure washer Quick disconnects. Now I use Banjo threaded couplers and adapters. They are black in color. Chuck, you were probably using 3/8 brass.

No closeup pics of the 4 way adapter setup. The greenwash tank has a bulkhead so that a hose from it to a Shurflo pump will draw the Greenwash. The output of the Shurflo pump goes to the metering valve kits metering valve. This valve screws into a 1/2" pulg that screws into the 4 way that also connects up to the SH pump output, pressure gauge, & the hose reel.

Maverick Contracting · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

many brake cleaners use highly volitle organics such as methyl alc., xylene, benzene etc. nasty stuf but awesome grease cuttin abilities. If you want insulating, corrosion resistaince, ceramic additives are a way to go but I'm also lookin into highly chlorinated pool paints to resist SH affects on metals.

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I don't think I'll be THAT far gone Adam.....lol

Aug 2, 2011

Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 wrote:
Believe it or not, I sprayed brake cleaner on the tank and rubbed all of the contaminants off of it with a towell. Then I sprayed the tank with Chrome paint. No primer. No problem with it sticking but SH fades it. A lot of repaint was necessary till we learned to be more careful not to spill anything on the tank. Now you know why there are 3 hoses going into the tank from above with bulkheads.
No aint peel yet (1 yr).
I used to use 1/2" SS pressure washer Quick disconnects. Now I use Banjo threaded couplers and adapters. They are black in color. Chuck, you were probably using 3/8 brass.
No closeup pics of the 4 way adapter setup. The greenwash tank has a bulkhead so that a hose from it to a Shurflo pump will draw the Greenwash. The output of the Shurflo pump goes to the metering valve kits metering valve. This valve screws into a 1/2" pulg that screws into the 4 way that also connects up to the SH pump output, pressure gauge, & the hose reel.

Thanks for sharing your information with us!

I used the largest pressure washing quick connects, but they all restrict the flow, compared to the hose

I think I will go to Lowes and see what base the spray paint you used is, { almost certainly laquer based} and buy a quart and spray my tank with one of my airless paint sprayers or my air machine, that sprays car paints? {I've been a painting contractor since 1978, but hate painting now, so I only paint a dozen houses a year, but I have equipment from running a 5 man crew yesrs ago}

If I wanted the simplest setup for feeding something like green wash or ammonyx etc, what should I order? Is it only available from Delux? If so, that's fine too.

I have some 2gpm Delavan pumps to draw with.

"The greenwash tank has a bulkhead so that a hose from it to a Shurflo pump will draw the Greenwash. I have the tank and can make the bulhead.The output of the Shurflo pump I have a 2gpm Delavan for this goes to the metering valve kits metering valve. This I need This valve screws into a 1/2" pulg that screws into the 4 way would I need a 4 way to just feed 1 5850 pump? that also connects up to the SH pump output, pressure gauge, & the hose reel."

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