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Ugly Shingles wrote:

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 So if we're not currently certified we aren't listed on the site regardless of membership status and the fact that we were on the previous site?

Also site looks great!


 The certified members list is for officially certified members only. In order to

placed on the site, you'll need to become certified.

 

 



Hmm, so we're told originally that was a perk to being a premium member and were instructed to go to the old website and upload our information yet now the perk is gone? Is this the way the RCIA is going to work? Sell everyone one thing and deliver something far less? Wonder how your business would do if that's how you treated your customers? Try it, sell them a full roof cleaning and house wash then show up and only clean one slope then ask for payment in full. Bet as a company you'd be out of business pretty quick. Just something to think about!

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 Hmm, so we're told originally that was a perk to being a premium member and were instructed to go to the old website and upload our information yet now the perk is gone? Is this the way the RCIA is going to work? Sell everyone one thing and deliver something far less? Wonder how your business would do if that's how you treated your customers? Try it, sell them a full roof cleaning and house wash then show up and only clean one slope then ask for payment in full. Bet as a company you'd be out of business pretty quick. Just something to think about!


We are just the posting crew, we don't make the rules. As a premium member you're able to access insider information that we share between each other. Certified Members are posted on the site for homeowners to find, giving them the ability to locate a certified roof cleaning professional in their area that knows and follows all standards of the certification.  



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 Hmm, so we're told originally that was a perk to being a premium member and were instructed to go to the old website and upload our information yet now the perk is gone? Is this the way the RCIA is going to work? Sell everyone one thing and deliver something far less? Wonder how your business would do if that's how you treated your customers? Try it, sell them a full roof cleaning and house wash then show up and only clean one slope then ask for payment in full. Bet as a company you'd be out of business pretty quick. Just something to think about!


We are just the posting crew, we don't make the rules. As a premium member you're able to access insider information that we share between each other. Certified Members are posted on the site for homeowners to find, giving them the ability to locate a certified roof cleaning professional in their area that knows and follows all standards of the certification.  



-- Edited by Ugly Shingles on Friday 15th of April 2011 09:40:24 PM

I'm not blaming you I'm blaming whomever is deciding to rescind benefits used to lure people to pay then tell them "well actually now you have to pay more to get what you were originally told you would get for the membership fee" I don't agree with those ethics nor will I advocate or support them.

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Chris.
I know what you are speaking of and I will update Steve & Bob on the promises and how we can go about to remedy this situation,
This website is in the works and is not the final cut.
Give me a day to speak with them and we will iron this out, it is no problem.

Kim R

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Ron mentioned an associates list. I am wondering if it is acceptable to advertise that we are "members"of the RCIA. I hope to soon be certified. In the mean time I am a Paid member that supports it's principles and hope that my mentioning that in websites etc is acceptable.

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Absolutely you can advertise that.
List yourself as a premium member of the RCIA with the logo.
I think Gary has the logo,
But we will fix the .org site.

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Thank you Kim. I appreciate everyone's efforts on putting this together.

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The list of certified members has been finished. If you are a certified member and we are missing something or someone please send us a PM and we will make the correction.

http://rcia.uglyshingles.com/roofcleaners.htm

Also, here are the current stats for the new RCIA Site for the last couple weeks since it has been live.

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All certified members MUST place a link to this site. It will not only help with your SEO, it will also help the RCIA site.



-- Edited by Ugly Shingles on Thursday 14th of April 2011 10:48:10 PM


 So if we're not currently certified we aren't listed on the site regardless of membership status and the fact that we were on the previous site?

Also site looks great!

 


 Maybe I'm missing something here, but where on the "old" forum were you listed that gave the impression to people that you were certified? Being a 'Premium" member gave you the ability to post promo pics in the guest section along with links to your websites. It in NO way implied that you were certified. Can you show me where the info is that leads people, and yourself, to think you're certified?

I'm confused, especially since others seem to agree with you.

Gary 

 



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Chowell77 wrote:
Ugly Shingles wrote:

The list of certified members has been finished. If you are a certified member and we are missing something or someone please send us a PM and we will make the correction.

http://rcia.uglyshingles.com/roofcleaners.htm

Also, here are the current stats for the new RCIA Site for the last couple weeks since it has been live.

stats.jpg

All certified members MUST place a link to this site. It will not only help with your SEO, it will also help the RCIA site.



-- Edited by Ugly Shingles on Thursday 14th of April 2011 10:48:10 PM


 So if we're not currently certified we aren't listed on the site regardless of membership status and the fact that we were on the previous site?

Also site looks great!

 


 Maybe I'm missing something here, but where on the "old" forum were you listed that gave the impression to people that you were certified? Being a 'Premium" member gave you the ability to post promo pics in the guest section along with links to your websites. It in NO way implied that you were certified. Can you show me where the info is that leads people, and yourself, to think you're certified?

I'm confused, especially since others seem to agree with you.

Gary 

 


 

 

Gary, I would think that'd you'd certainly remember it being that the post came from YOU! Do you not recall instructing everyone to go to the website and upload their company information as it was a benefit reserved for premium members to be featured on the website, do you not recall the "logo links?" I'd gladly show you the posts but sadly they've disappeared, at least on my end I'm not finding them.

 

Sorry had to edit this as I reread your post. First: No where in any of my above posts did I reference myself being "certified" "have the impression of being certified" or any of your other verbage used above. It was a discussion of the issue that we were ORIGINALLY told we'd be featured on the website (and were with company links) as a benefit of Premium Membership. Now that benefit has been removed for paying members and only bestowed upon those that are certified now. That's what I referenced and nothing but that, try not to twist my words into being construed any other way.

 

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 The certified members list is for officially certified members only. In order to

placed on the site, you'll need to become certified.

 

Placing your company logo on the site, has nothing to do with being in the "Certified directory". If you read Ugly's and Kim's post you will see that the website is NOT complete and several areas are still under construction. These types of "can't wait til then" posts are what causes a lot of the "drama" on this forum. This type of derogatory discussion should NOT be in the open section, visible to guests and search engines. It serves NO USEFUL purpose.  Any further discussion, please PM me, or call.

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Derogatory? I simply asked a question to Bob in my original post / question. I won't pm you as I feel no more discussion seems necessary. Honestly I think this forum has some GREAT and talented people but it's resembling a communist regime a little too much for my liking!
There's something called freedom of speech and I don't believe it needs to occur behind closed doors.

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The post you couldn't find easily.

http://roof-cleaning-institute.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=123190&p=3&topicID=39682382&page=1&sort=oldestFirst



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The post you couldn't find easily.

http://roof-cleaning-institute.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=123190&p=3&topicID=39682382&page=1&sort=oldestFirst



Yeah that's it. So if you read this thread, and then my original question I think it'll be clearly apparent as to what I was asking and concerned with. My question was answered with this answer "in order to be placed on the site, you'll need to become certified." I'm sure you can agree that statement is contradictory to what is in the above mentioned thread? I'm not causing trouble just was looking for clarification.

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Bob & Steve are on this, just got off the phone with them. No Problembiggrin

It is all being taken care of as we speak, it is under construction and it will be even better than you can expect!

We are only at the half way mark, Patience guys and Chris I am glad you brought this up as you are right it was part of the Premium Membership fee.

Get r Done!!

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I can see the concern and the question is vaild given all the promises that were made from the past administration. There has been discussion on this subject and a revisit on the matter is needed. I would recommend that Chris Tucker review this and with others active on here come up with a solution that fits everyones interest.

I am sure something will be worked out. Standby please.

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The post you couldn't find easily.

http://roof-cleaning-institute.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=123190&p=3&topicID=39682382&page=1&sort=oldestFirst


 

 

Yeah that's it. So if you read this thread, and then my original question I think it'll be clearly apparent as to what I was asking and concerned with. My question was answered with this answer "in order to be placed on the site, you'll need to become certified." I'm sure you can agree that statement is contradictory to what is in the above mentioned thread? I'm not causing trouble just was looking for clarification.


 Yes, and if you recall that post was made when Jerry was designing the new site over 6 months ago. We now have a new group working on the site and things tend to get confusing and mis-directed. When things that are half complete get posted it makes it even worse. As I said, "Can't wait til then" posts cause most of the drama on here.

As far as your comment about communism, have you ever read the communist manifesto?  Please do, and see if you can see any resembelence to the way things are in the U.S. at present. You may be in for a BIG surprise. And don't attack me for that comment. It is fact, whether we all like it or not.

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ARE Americans practicing Communism?

Read the 10 Planks of The Communist Manifestoto discover the truth and learn how to know your enemy...

Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifestowritten by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

Do changing words, change the end result? ... By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

The people (politicians) who believe in the SOCIALISTIC and COMMUNISTIC concepts, especially those who pass more and more laws implementing these slavery ideas, are traitors to their oath of office and to the Constitution of the united States of America... KNOW YOUR ENEMY ...Remove the enemy from within and from among us.

None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free....

 



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Gary, thanks for the lesson on communism however I learned all I need to know actually being in and out of communist governments serving my country.

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This thread has gotten way out of hand Seriously!

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Out of hand? This has been one of the most civil confrontations in the last 6 months. We can't always shoot rainbows up each others asses.

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