The Roof Cleaning Institute Of America Training & Certification Forum
"Find A Certified Roof Cleaner Directory"

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning · Certified Cedar Shake Roof Cleaning Specialist

RE: Delux

guest

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

chrisf72 wrote:
I hope it does not get moved to the premium section all together I have been seeing alot thread be move.

Sorry Chris, I moved this to a closed part of the forum that is password protected. AC, please see to it that Michael Hinderliter and Mike Hilborn get the password, so they might participate in the discussion, if they wish ?

I will make sure they get the password but am not sure they will chime in or not.

AC
That is their choice AC, just let them know RCIA Members stand for what we see as being right. Members feel disrespected and insulted that any vendor (Delux) would turn their forum into one big informercial lately for what they sell, and a roof cleaning class you teach, with a competing certification issued by another "org" (PWNA)
It is my personal opinion that You, Delux, and PWNA owe every RCIA member a big public apology. The 3 of you have apparently been successful in alienating this segment of the roof cleaning market. You JUST said "RCIA Guys do not buy from Delux anyway" so I must ask WTF you guys are here for ? Go peddle your wares and school to PWNA Members, LOL
We are Roof Cleaners, NOT Pressure Washers, and no presure washing distributor/vendor or organization is gonna come here on our forum and disrespect us, or dictate our standards.
RCIA is a forum of Contractors, For The Contractors.
AMEN Chris! My advice is DON'T TRUST AC!
Just think, if AC had never stepped through the RCIA door, how much nicer everything would have STAYED!
He and a few guys who { I think } hope or stand to profit along side him, want him here.
I bet if you posted a pole of who would like him gone, you would get a 90% or better vote to throw him out.
I'm not looking to insult him, I'd just be glad to never read the letters AC again.
Too much has been about him for too long!
Chuck

Amen to that

Can we take a vote to ban AC for at least two months just to see how we do with out him.

Sorry AC you had no problem banning me so I don't have no problem having you banned, lol

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

chrisf72 wrote:
I hope it does not get moved to the premium section all together I have been seeing alot thread be move.

Sorry Chris, I moved this to a closed part of the forum that is password protected. AC, please see to it that Michael Hinderliter and Mike Hilborn get the password, so they might participate in the discussion, if they wish ?

I will make sure they get the password but am not sure they will chime in or not.

AC
That is their choice AC, just let them know RCIA Members stand for what we see as being right. Members feel disrespected and insulted that any vendor (Delux) would turn their forum into one big informercial lately for what they sell, and a roof cleaning class you teach, with a competing certification issued by another "org" (PWNA)
It is my personal opinion that You, Delux, and PWNA owe every RCIA member a big public apology. The 3 of you have apparently been successful in alienating this segment of the roof cleaning market. You JUST said "RCIA Guys do not buy from Delux anyway" so I must ask WTF you guys are here for ? Go peddle your wares and school to PWNA Members, LOL
We are Roof Cleaners, NOT Pressure Washers, and no presure washing distributor/vendor or organization is gonna come here on our forum and disrespect us, or dictate our standards.
RCIA is a forum of Contractors, For The Contractors.
AMEN Chris! My advice is DON'T TRUST AC!
Just think, if AC had never stepped through the RCIA door, how much nicer everything would have STAYED!
He and a few guys who { I think } hope or stand to profit along side him, want him here.
I bet if you posted a pole of who would like him gone, you would get a 90% or better vote to throw him out.
I'm not looking to insult him, I'd just be glad to never read the letters AC again.
Too much has been about him for too long!
Chuck

Not defending AC, but this board was destroyed before AC got here by Lori's BS. It just got worse after AC got here.

I never tell anyone who to be friends with or follow in your personal life but you should really consider who you follow in business.

Personal feelings aside, you will do better in business following succesful business people, ie. Ron, AC, Daryl Mirza, Mike Hilborn, Mike Hinderliter, etc....

Then again, if you're looking for a drinking buddy, then Chris and David would be perfect.

GOOD LUCK ALL!!

Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 · Guest

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

chrisf72 wrote:
I hope it does not get moved to the premium section all together I have been seeing alot thread be move.

Sorry Chris, I moved this to a closed part of the forum that is password protected. AC, please see to it that Michael Hinderliter and Mike Hilborn get the password, so they might participate in the discussion, if they wish ?

I will make sure they get the password but am not sure they will chime in or not.

AC
That is their choice AC, just let them know RCIA Members stand for what we see as being right. Members feel disrespected and insulted that any vendor (Delux) would turn their forum into one big informercial lately for what they sell, and a roof cleaning class you teach, with a competing certification issued by another "org" (PWNA)
It is my personal opinion that You, Delux, and PWNA owe every RCIA member a big public apology. The 3 of you have apparently been successful in alienating this segment of the roof cleaning market. You JUST said "RCIA Guys do not buy from Delux anyway" so I must ask WTF you guys are here for ? Go peddle your wares and school to PWNA Members, LOL
We are Roof Cleaners, NOT Pressure Washers, and no presure washing distributor/vendor or organization is gonna come here on our forum and disrespect us, or dictate our standards.
RCIA is a forum of Contractors, For The Contractors.
AMEN Chris! My advice is DON'T TRUST AC!
Just think, if AC had never stepped through the RCIA door, how much nicer everything would have STAYED!
He and a few guys who { I think } hope or stand to profit along side him, want him here.
I bet if you posted a pole of who would like him gone, you would get a 90% or better vote to throw him out.
I'm not looking to insult him, I'd just be glad to never read the letters AC again.
Too much has been about him for too long!
Chuck

Not defending AC, but this board was destroyed before AC got here by Lori's BS. It just got worse after AC got here.
I never tell anyone who to be friends with or follow in your personal life but you should really consider who you follow in business.
Personal feelings aside, you will do better in business following succesful business people, ie. Ron, AC, Daryl Mirza, Mike Hilborn, Mike Hinderliter, etc....
Then again, if you're looking for a drinking buddy, then Chris and David would be perfect.
GOOD LUCK ALL!!

Hey Scott dont forget me <I'M a good drinking Buddy roof cleaning pint of Boulvard Wheat Please

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 10:16:55 AM

Roof Cleaning Cleveland (216) 323-0552 · Mar 30, 2011

AC Lockyer wrote:
Chris also the traitor had these work books printed up a week ago for his class. What org was he pushing in these workbooks??????

Would a traitor start a competing forum?

Roof Cleaning Cleveland (216) 323-0552 · Mar 30, 2011

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:
AC talked Deluxe out of going to PWNA first and using us instead. I thought Chris was well aware of this. With RCIA having no business license or organization why would they ever use it?? And I thought everyone was mad when they were going to use RCIA cert?? All any of you had to do was call them and negotiate as well as organize the RCIA, instead you all come here and bicker about people you don't even know and expect them to work with you. PWNA gave us a bunch of their test questions, they gave 30, I gave 50 and that was the bulk of the questions when I was kicked off of the cert committee for being associated with AC.

Just one foolish thing after another. why would any vendor ever work with RCIA when they get trashed like this?? And now they are traitors??
You guys called them liars and scammers
then got mad when they were going to use our cert
so they find another cert and now they are traitors??

Bill we were pissed when they were offering our cert. before we had it ready.

Roof Cleaning Cleveland (216) 323-0552 · Mar 30, 2011

Roof Cleaning Lanoka Harbor NJ 609-971-6553 wrote:
Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:

Now, I am going to ask you publicly AC Did you have anything to do with helping a competing organization write a competing certification test ? That is the perception of some members AC.
"Nope never did and have never discussed the RCIA cert with PWNA. If you remember Chris my first ever contact with the PWNA was at the Tampa event in July. They were openly advertising their cert program then."
Some members feel that the minute you resigned from the BOD you made a deal with Delux and PWNA, while your name is still on our corporate documents.
"I made my deal with Delux in August of 2010. I was pushing the RCIA"
Bill Booze is on the PWNA Certification commitee, and he just said PWNA was nowhere near ready.
"Bill knows about as much as I as he has stated that the PWNA hasnt had any cert com meetings. I am not sure how they are coming up with it. I heard that Charlie brought a bunch of PWNA cert questions and gave them to our cert comm."
Hilborn, Mrza, and Eric Clark ate dinner with us not even a year ago, and had not a clue how we clean roofs. Yet you are telling me they are all the sudden "ready" to issue certifications for roof cleaning ?
"As you know Chris that was a meeting the Ron had organized with you and Bill before I was ever involved. The PWNA was already working on their roof cleaning program before then."
"Actually Chris Mike Hilborne has cleaned about as many roofs as you have. He knows how to clean roofs. Just not my style of roof cleaning."
For YOU to teach a roof cleaning class that offers PWNA Certification vs ours means you support PWNA Certification AC.
" I have an obligation to give a class that offers a certification test at the end. The RCIA didnt perform as promised and did not deliver to Delux what we asked for. The RCIA committed to providing the 50 Point Standard and a 100 question test. Sorry you were not at any of the meetings of the BOD to have heard and understood that. When the RCIA failed to meet the March 14th commitment that was agreed upon by the cert comit by its chair and also communicated as well through Bill Booz Delux and I got the vibe it wasnt going to happen. Then the PWNA jumped on that opening like a chicken on a june bug!"
Therefore, you are a traitor to the RCIA. The president of Ford Motor Company would never consider promoting Chevrolets.
"Sorry you feel I am a traitor. If honoring my word and working selflessly for an org I wasnt even being paid by is being a traitor than so be it!"
AC

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:43:36 AM

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:44:34 AM

I thought the deadline was always April 1st? I don't remember ever hearing March 14th?

AC you have been causing trouble on this board since day one, the day you come here.
enough is enough, I just wish you would leave, If seems all through your career you have been stepping on toes?
I'm tired of you pushing your product in every other thread.
I'm tired of your greed, Can't you leave and promote your stuff some where else.
why do you have to hang out here, their is other places?

AC, go away. You bitch about us on other forums, but yet you come here to sell your stuff. You started your own forum, go their and let us be.

RCIA Founder

You guys know what, I have a hard time seperating Deluxe and PWNA. The Bottom Line is this AC, you are the TEACHER of this class. If I were the LOYAL RCIA teacher of this class, and Delux tried to dictate to me what Certification would be used on a class I taught, I would tell them to stick it where the Sun don't shine.

"Contract" or no Contact, you are either with us, or you are against us AC. Your "argument" that you have a contract with Deluxe to teach a class with a competing certification is not playing well with RCIA Members.

It basically says "Deluxe owns me" and my Loyalty is for Hire!

Take a Tip from Nancy Reagan AC, and "Just Say NO" to Deluxe.

As far as the assertation by Bill that RCIA should have "Courted Deluxe" a little more, we thought that was what AC was doing.

Michael Hinderliter claims he was told that our Certification was "falling apart" and would not be ready in time for AC's class. I ask WHO told him that, and why he would not ask me if it were true or not. If I called Delux, and someone there told me Delux was closing down, I would call Michael Hinderliter, to see if it was really true.

Roof Cleaning Virginia 540-949-6277 · Roof Cleaning Institute of America Premium Member/MODERATOR

AC Lockyer wrote:

Now, I am going to ask you publicly AC Did you have anything to do with helping a competing organization write a competing certification test ? That is the perception of some members AC.
"Nope never did and have never discussed the RCIA cert with PWNA. If you remember Chris my first ever contact with the PWNA was at the Tampa event in July. They were openly advertising their cert program then."
Some members feel that the minute you resigned from the BOD you made a deal with Delux and PWNA, while your name is still on our corporate documents.
"I made my deal with Delux in August of 2010. I was pushing the RCIA"
Bill Booze is on the PWNA Certification commitee, and he just said PWNA was nowhere near ready.
"Bill knows about as much as I as he has stated that the PWNA hasnt had any cert com meetings. I am not sure how they are coming up with it. I heard that Charlie brought a bunch of PWNA cert questions and gave them to our cert comm."
Hilborn, Mrza, and Eric Clark ate dinner with us not even a year ago, and had not a clue how we clean roofs. Yet you are telling me they are all the sudden "ready" to issue certifications for roof cleaning ?
"As you know Chris that was a meeting the Ron had organized with you and Bill before I was ever involved. The PWNA was already working on their roof cleaning program before then."
"Actually Chris Mike Hilborne has cleaned about as many roofs as you have. He knows how to clean roofs. Just not my style of roof cleaning."
For YOU to teach a roof cleaning class that offers PWNA Certification vs ours means you support PWNA Certification AC.
" I have an obligation to give a class that offers a certification test at the end. The RCIA didnt perform as promised and did not deliver to Delux what we asked for. The RCIA committed to providing the 50 Point Standard and a 100 question test. Sorry you were not at any of the meetings of the BOD to have heard and understood that. When the RCIA failed to meet the March 14th commitment that was agreed upon by the cert comit by its chair and also communicated as well through Bill Booz Delux and I got the vibe it wasnt going to happen. Then the PWNA jumped on that opening like a chicken on a june bug!"
Therefore, you are a traitor to the RCIA. The president of Ford Motor Company would never consider promoting Chevrolets.
"Sorry you feel I am a traitor. If honoring my word and working selflessly for an org I wasnt even being paid by is being a traitor than so be it!"
AC

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:43:36 AM

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:44:34 AM

This is interesting! The committees weren't even turned into the BOD until Feb. 1st. The committees sat with nothing done until Bill & AC returned from Memphis. The first Crt. meeting was 2/13. Not once did anyone make a statement or claim that the certification was to be completed by 3/14. It was actually discussed to have it ready by 4/1 due to Delux wanting it by then and we were also told that Delux wanted 100 questions. The only information we got from Delux was through Bill Booze. The committee never once agreed to have this ready for Delux by any date and the chair, to my knowledge never communicated through anyone that the certification would be completed for Delux for any specific date. There are recordings as well as minutes to all the meetings.

The committee was doing this work for the members of RCIA, not Delux! It was only after the post was put up by Delux that the committee found that there was some kind of deal made with Delux to do this certification class well before any further discussion and vote. It was just days before that post that we found that Delux would be using our test and wanted 100 questions as well as a payment to RCIA for the use of our certification. We did discuss that the offer (or deal) of 150.00 was not enough.

Take the high road and do things on the up and up.

Too much strange stuff. I agree with so much stated here about the loyalty.

Is this loyal to RCIA: http://probizguide-compassrose.activeboard.com/

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Hey Kid! No problem with a drinking buddy, just don't follow him into battle...LOL...you comingto Ft Worth?

RCIA Founder

Roof Cleaning Blue Ridge VA 540-949-6277 wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:

Now, I am going to ask you publicly AC Did you have anything to do with helping a competing organization write a competing certification test ? That is the perception of some members AC.
"Nope never did and have never discussed the RCIA cert with PWNA. If you remember Chris my first ever contact with the PWNA was at the Tampa event in July. They were openly advertising their cert program then."
Some members feel that the minute you resigned from the BOD you made a deal with Delux and PWNA, while your name is still on our corporate documents.
"I made my deal with Delux in August of 2010. I was pushing the RCIA"
Bill Booze is on the PWNA Certification commitee, and he just said PWNA was nowhere near ready.
"Bill knows about as much as I as he has stated that the PWNA hasnt had any cert com meetings. I am not sure how they are coming up with it. I heard that Charlie brought a bunch of PWNA cert questions and gave them to our cert comm."
Hilborn, Mrza, and Eric Clark ate dinner with us not even a year ago, and had not a clue how we clean roofs. Yet you are telling me they are all the sudden "ready" to issue certifications for roof cleaning ?
"As you know Chris that was a meeting the Ron had organized with you and Bill before I was ever involved. The PWNA was already working on their roof cleaning program before then."
"Actually Chris Mike Hilborne has cleaned about as many roofs as you have. He knows how to clean roofs. Just not my style of roof cleaning."
For YOU to teach a roof cleaning class that offers PWNA Certification vs ours means you support PWNA Certification AC.
" I have an obligation to give a class that offers a certification test at the end. The RCIA didnt perform as promised and did not deliver to Delux what we asked for. The RCIA committed to providing the 50 Point Standard and a 100 question test. Sorry you were not at any of the meetings of the BOD to have heard and understood that. When the RCIA failed to meet the March 14th commitment that was agreed upon by the cert comit by its chair and also communicated as well through Bill Booz Delux and I got the vibe it wasnt going to happen. Then the PWNA jumped on that opening like a chicken on a june bug!"
Therefore, you are a traitor to the RCIA. The president of Ford Motor Company would never consider promoting Chevrolets.
"Sorry you feel I am a traitor. If honoring my word and working selflessly for an org I wasnt even being paid by is being a traitor than so be it!"
AC

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:43:36 AM

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:44:34 AM
This is interesting! The committees weren't even turned into the BOD until Feb. 1st. The committees sat with nothing done until Bill & AC returned from Memphis. The first Crt. meeting was 2/13. Not once did anyone make a statement or claim that the certification was to be completed by 3/14. It was actually discussed to have it ready by 4/1 due to Delux wanting it by then and we were also told that Delux wanted 100 questions. The only information we got from Delux was through Bill Booze. The committee never once agreed to have this ready for Delux by any date and the chair, to my knowledge never communicated through anyone that the certification would be completed for Delux for any specific date. There are recordings as well as minutes to all the meetings.
The committee was doing this work for the members of RCIA, not Delux! It was only after the post was put up by Delux that the committee found that there was some kind of deal made with Delux to do this certification class well before any further discussion and vote. It was just days before that post that we found that Delux would be using our test and wanted 100 questions as well as a payment to RCIA for the use of our certification. We did discuss that the offer (or deal) of 150.00 was not enough.
Take the high road and do things on the up and up.
Too much strange stuff. I agree with so much stated here about the loyalty.
Is this loyal to RCIA: http://probizguide-compassrose.activeboard.com/

Anyone notice a strange silence from Delux and the PWNA ?

RCIA Founder

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning 515-971-1430 wrote:
Well, well, well. It appears I am not the only one that saw something a foot.
All this he said, she said, he said, is just bullchit. Perception at the end of the day will rule.
I have spoken to many members personally and they feel the same, but won't post such. This is a roof cleaning forum, I, as others, joined a roof cleaning forum and that's what we want.
All this product chit is getting old, just but a small hand full even care, which can be counted on one hand.
Everytime I go on the forum in the open side it is products this, products that, classes this, classes that. That place is for roof cleaners to display their work. Yet one has to always scroll down to even find it. Do you think the public cares about all that other chit? No. They are looking to get their roof cleaned, not how to clean it.
There are a number of roof cleaning professionals on here and more to come if we can weed out all this other chit.
Chris Tucker, you are a better man then I am! I would have plulled the plug long ago and sent this chit packing.
If some want power washing there is a place to go. If they want products the internet is full of them.
We have a good networking system here. There is certification here. Professionals can display their work here. Anyone can learn the trade here.
Send this other chit packing.
Sometimes the hole in the boat is to big to repair and you just need a new boat!

I am trying to be tolerant Bruce, really I am. I want to give Delux and PWNA a chance to air their side of all this.

Reliable Roof Cleaning Jacksonville FL · Guest

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:
Not defending AC, but this board was destroyed before AC got here by Lori's BS. It just got worse after AC got here.
I never tell anyone who to be friends with or follow in your personal life but you should really consider who you follow in business.
Personal feelings aside, you will do better in business following succesful business people, ie. Ron, AC, Daryl Mirza, Mike Hilborn, Mike Hinderliter, etc....
Then again, if you're looking for a drinking buddy, then Chris and David would be perfect.
GOOD LUCK ALL!!

Scott you are delusional if you think Lori destroyed this board. I was here for the whole thing and as I recall Lori did not fire the first shot publicly. That matter should have been handled privately but it was made public to destroy someone.

The Lori/Musgraves incident can't hold a candle to the damage done by AC and his conflict of interest.

For those who believe in AC and want to go to his board, please go. For those who want to post on other boards taking shots at the RCIA, be prepared to be exposed. If I was Chris Tucker and I read some of the crap on other boards, I would put a permanent ban on the person who posted it.

Charles

-- Edited by Reliable Roof Cleaning Jacksonville FL on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 11:53:56 AM

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Charles, I'm not talking about the Lori/musgraves thing. Before Ron came here Lori started her shit. As for the personal destruction of someone, you are all guilty of it now. The biggest difference being that you can't find a lie that Ron told about Lori. I can bring up a dozen told about him and AC.

If Chris feels like I need to be banned I wish he would grow a sack and do it. Like everyone says it's his board and you have no say over it. If Chris has an issue with Anything I say here or elseware he has my number, in fact we talked last weekend. I hide nothing and never have.

RCIA Founder

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:
Charles, I'm not talking about the Lori/musgraves thing. Before Ron came here Lori started her shit.

Actually Scott, my recollection of the Lori/Musgraves situation is completely different. I do not recall any problems with Lori before her deal with Ron went bad. But let's please keep this thread on topic. Lori is not here.

Roof Cleaning Virginia 540-949-6277 · Roof Cleaning Institute of America Premium Member/MODERATOR

Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 wrote:
Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

chrisf72 wrote:
I hope it does not get moved to the premium section all together I have been seeing alot thread be move.

Sorry Chris, I moved this to a closed part of the forum that is password protected. AC, please see to it that Michael Hinderliter and Mike Hilborn get the password, so they might participate in the discussion, if they wish ?

I will make sure they get the password but am not sure they will chime in or not.

AC
That is their choice AC, just let them know RCIA Members stand for what we see as being right. Members feel disrespected and insulted that any vendor (Delux) would turn their forum into one big informercial lately for what they sell, and a roof cleaning class you teach, with a competing certification issued by another "org" (PWNA)
It is my personal opinion that You, Delux, and PWNA owe every RCIA member a big public apology. The 3 of you have apparently been successful in alienating this segment of the roof cleaning market. You JUST said "RCIA Guys do not buy from Delux anyway" so I must ask WTF you guys are here for ? Go peddle your wares and school to PWNA Members, LOL
We are Roof Cleaners, NOT Pressure Washers, and no presure washing distributor/vendor or organization is gonna come here on our forum and disrespect us, or dictate our standards.
RCIA is a forum of Contractors, For The Contractors.
AMEN Chris! My advice is DON'T TRUST AC!
Just think, if AC had never stepped through the RCIA door, how much nicer everything would have STAYED!
He and a few guys who { I think } hope or stand to profit along side him, want him here.
I bet if you posted a pole of who would like him gone, you would get a 90% or better vote to throw him out.
I'm not looking to insult him, I'd just be glad to never read the letters AC again.
Too much has been about him for too long!
Chuck

Not defending AC, but this board was destroyed before AC got here by Lori's BS. It just got worse after AC got here.
I never tell anyone who to be friends with or follow in your personal life but you should really consider who you follow in business.
Personal feelings aside, you will do better in business following succesful business people, ie. Ron, AC, Daryl Mirza, Mike Hilborn, Mike Hinderliter, etc....
Then again, if you're looking for a drinking buddy, then Chris and David would be perfect.
GOOD LUCK ALL!!

Hey Scott dont forget me <I'M a good drinking Buddy pint of Boulvard Wheat Please

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 10:16:55 AM

I would hope that you, Chris and Hoover like Stella!

Reliable Roof Cleaning Jacksonville FL · Guest

Scott you seem to think that you should follow someone in business who is successful. I would suggest you need to look deeper at a person than just how much money they have made. If someone can't be trusted to tell the whole truth then they are not worthy.

Charles

-- Edited by Reliable Roof Cleaning Jacksonville FL on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 12:48:34 PM

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning · Certified Cedar Shake Roof Cleaning Specialist

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Central Iowa Roof Cleaning 515-971-1430 wrote:
Well, well, well. It appears I am not the only one that saw something a foot.
All this he said, she said, he said, is just bullchit. Perception at the end of the day will rule.
I have spoken to many members personally and they feel the same, but won't post such. This is a roof cleaning forum, I, as others, joined a roof cleaning forum and that's what we want.
All this product chit is getting old, just but a small hand full even care, which can be counted on one hand.
Everytime I go on the forum in the open side it is products this, products that, classes this, classes that. That place is for roof cleaners to display their work. Yet one has to always scroll down to even find it. Do you think the public cares about all that other chit? No. They are looking to get their roof cleaned, not how to clean it.
There are a number of roof cleaning professionals on here and more to come if we can weed out all this other chit.
Chris Tucker, you are a better man then I am! I would have plulled the plug long ago and sent this chit packing.
If some want power washing there is a place to go. If they want products the internet is full of them.
We have a good networking system here. There is certification here. Professionals can display their work here. Anyone can learn the trade here.
Send this other chit packing.
Sometimes the hole in the boat is to big to repair and you just need a new boat!
I am trying to be tolerant Bruce, really I am. I want to give Delux and PWNA a chance to air their side of all this.

Sometimes I think Delux and PWNA don't even know what's going on? Hell nobody seems to know. I also would rather see them as an asset rather then a liability, just good business.

The only two I have heard anything or read anything about this whole thing is AC & Bill.

I say let everyone go were they will and let's get back to roof cleaning. I would like to showcase this forum to my customers and it is personal, to build my business.

Let's get back to building this forum.

Guest

Roof Cleaning Cleveland (216) 323-0552 wrote:
AC Lockyer wrote:
Chris also the traitor had these work books printed up a week ago for his class. What org was he pushing in these workbooks??????

Would a traitor start a competing forum?

the competing forum has no seo value and is for the people who took his class or are going to take his class. Get the facts straight before you post

RCIA Founder

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning 515-971-1430 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Central Iowa Roof Cleaning 515-971-1430 wrote:
Well, well, well. It appears I am not the only one that saw something a foot.
All this he said, she said, he said, is just bullchit. Perception at the end of the day will rule.
I have spoken to many members personally and they feel the same, but won't post such. This is a roof cleaning forum, I, as others, joined a roof cleaning forum and that's what we want.
All this product chit is getting old, just but a small hand full even care, which can be counted on one hand.
Everytime I go on the forum in the open side it is products this, products that, classes this, classes that. That place is for roof cleaners to display their work. Yet one has to always scroll down to even find it. Do you think the public cares about all that other chit? No. They are looking to get their roof cleaned, not how to clean it.
There are a number of roof cleaning professionals on here and more to come if we can weed out all this other chit.
Chris Tucker, you are a better man then I am! I would have plulled the plug long ago and sent this chit packing.
If some want power washing there is a place to go. If they want products the internet is full of them.
We have a good networking system here. There is certification here. Professionals can display their work here. Anyone can learn the trade here.
Send this other chit packing.
Sometimes the hole in the boat is to big to repair and you just need a new boat!
I am trying to be tolerant Bruce, really I am. I want to give Delux and PWNA a chance to air their side of all this.

Sometimes I think Delux and PWNA don't even know what's going on?

The relationship between Delux and Pwna appears just a 'little too cozy' for my tastes. PWNA was started by Robert Hinderliter, who owned Delux, and who is still on the board of PWNA. Daryl Mrza a PWNA Officer owns a piece of Deluxe in some capacity. I was told he owns 40 percent of Delux, and then told he owns only the Delux hood cleaning school. Michael Hinderliter owns Deluxe, or the majority of it. It looks like Michael Hinderliter has chosen to use PWNA Certification, since his father is on the PWNA Board, as is his friend and business partner Daryl Mrza. I am still waiting to hear from those with information that might contradict what I was told, or my current assessment of this situation. I am all Ears!

The Roof Cleaning Institute Of America Training & Certification Forum "Find A Certified Roof Cleaner Directory"

The Roof Cleaning Institute Of America Training & Certification Forum
"Find A Certified Roof Cleaner Directory"