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chrisf72 wrote:

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like said there go another thread to the premium erea.

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 Oh, you are right Chris, everyone effected by this may not be premium mmbers, so everyone may get their opinions in, and keep this free from search engines as we discuss it, In The Shade it will go.

 

 

chrisf72 wrote:

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I hope it does not get moved to the premium section all together I have been seeing alot thread be move.

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 Sorry Chris, I moved this to a closed part of the forum that is password protected. AC, please see to it that Michael Hinderliter and Mike Hilborn get the password, so they might participate in the discussion, if they wish ?

 

AC Lockyer wrote:

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Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

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Bite me AC. I am loyal to a fault to my friends. I would give the shirt off my back and then some. I consider Chris & RCIA as my friend. You piss in their back yard you piss in mine! I'm surprised as hell Chris is still letting you and "Decrap" peddal your shit here! And don't PM me. 

 David 

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Dont need to PM you. Your so silly it hurts!

Chris lets everyone peddle their wears here. Dont buy our stuff. Dude whatever.

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 AC, you and Deluxe are asking RCIA Members to buy your stuff, yet saying our certification is 'meaningless' by offering and teaching a roof cleaning class with PWNA Certification VS Ours.

It is sort of like selling food to black people, then making them piss and shit in seperate bathrooms.

Can you guys BLAME RCIA members for being upset at Deluxe, the PWNA, and YOU ?

 

AC Lockyer wrote:

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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

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chrisf72 wrote:

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I hope it does not get moved to the premium section all together I have been seeing alot thread be move.

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 Sorry Chris, I moved this to a closed part of the forum that is password protected. AC, please see to it that Michael Hinderliter and Mike Hilborn get the password, so they might participate in the discussion, if they wish ?

 

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I will make sure they get the password but am not sure they will chime in or not.

AC

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 That is their choice AC, just let them know RCIA Members stand for what we see as being right.  Members feel disrespected and insulted that any vendor (Delux) would turn their forum into one big informercial lately for what they sell, and a roof cleaning class you teach, with a competing certification issued by another "org" (PWNA)

It is my personal opinion that You, Delux, and PWNA owe every RCIA member a big public apology. The 3 of you have apparently been successful in alienating  this segment of the roof cleaning market. You JUST said "RCIA Guys do not buy from Delux anyway" so I must ask WTF you guys are here for ?  Go peddle your wares and school to PWNA Members, LOL 

We are Roof Cleaners, NOT Pressure Washers, and no presure washing distributor/vendor or organization is gonna come here on our forum and disrespect us, or dictate our standards.

RCIA is a forum of Contractors,  For The Contractors. 

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 Now, I am going to ask you publicly AC Did you have anything to do with helping  a competing organization write a  competing certification test ? That is the perception of some members AC.

"Nope never did and have never discussed the RCIA cert with PWNA. If you remember Chris my first ever contact with the PWNA was at the Tampa event in July. They were openly advertising their cert program then."

Some members feel that the minute you resigned from the BOD you made a deal with Delux and PWNA, while your  name is still on our corporate documents. 

"I made my deal with Delux in August of 2010. I was pushing the RCIA"

Bill Booze is on the PWNA Certification commitee, and he just said PWNA was nowhere near ready.

"Bill knows about as much as I as he has stated that the PWNA hasnt had any cert com meetings. I am not sure how they are coming up with it. I heard that Charlie brought a bunch of PWNA cert questions and gave them to our cert comm."

Hilborn, Mrza, and Eric Clark ate dinner with us not even a year ago, and had not a clue how we clean roofs. Yet you are telling me they are all the sudden "ready" to issue certifications for roof cleaning ?

"As you know Chris that was a meeting the Ron had organized with you and Bill before I was ever involved. The PWNA was already working on their roof cleaning program before then."

"Actually Chris Mike Hilborne has cleaned about as many roofs as you have. He knows how to clean roofs. Just not my style of roof cleaning."

For YOU to teach a roof cleaning class that offers PWNA Certification vs ours means you support PWNA Certification AC. 

" I have an obligation to give a class that offers a certification test at the end. The RCIA didnt perform as promised and did not deliver to Delux what we asked for. The RCIA committed to providing the 50 Point Standard and a 100 question test. Sorry you were not at any of the meetings of the BOD to have heard and understood that. When the RCIA failed to meet the March 14th commitment that was agreed upon by the cert comit by its chair and also communicated as well through Bill Booz Delux and I got the vibe it wasnt going to happen. Then the PWNA jumped on that opening like a chicken on a june bug!"

Therefore, you are a traitor to the RCIA. The president of Ford Motor Company would never consider promoting Chevrolets.

"Sorry you feel I am a traitor. If honoring my word and working selflessly for an org I wasnt even being paid by is being a traitor than so be it!"

AC

 

 

 

 

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-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:43:36 AM

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:44:34 AM

AC Lockyer wrote:

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a traitor than so be it!"

AC

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 So be it!

 

 

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC on Thursday 7th of April 2011 02:55:07 PM

What happened to not allowing other members to persanally attack another member? Man this place is messed up. Do you all really need to be certified to clean a roof? Becuase i can tell you right off the bat that 90% of your customers will not give two shits if your certified they just want the best price.

David you sound really bitter and for no good reason. Nothing AC has done has effected you in any personal way. If you choose not to buy his products or delux's products than say nothing and dont buy. It's pretty simple. You Started this thread to make drama. SO PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND GO OUT THERE AND DO SOME WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AC talked Deluxe out of going to PWNA first and using us instead. I thought Chris was well aware of this. With RCIA having no business license or organization why would they ever use it?? And I thought everyone was mad when they were going to use RCIA cert?? All any of you had to do was call them and negotiate as well as organize the RCIA, instead you all come here and bicker about people you don't even know and expect them to work with you. PWNA gave us a bunch of their test questions, they gave 30, I gave 50 and that was the bulk of the questions when I was kicked off of the cert committee for being associated with AC.

Just one foolish thing after another. why would any vendor ever work with RCIA when they get trashed like this?? And now they are traitors??
You guys called them liars and scammers
then got mad when they were going to use our cert
so they find another cert and now they are traitors??

Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD wrote:

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AC Lockyer wrote:

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 Now, I am going to ask you publicly AC Did you have anything to do with helping  a competing organization write a  competing certification test ? That is the perception of some members AC.

"Nope never did and have never discussed the RCIA cert with PWNA. If you remember Chris my first ever contact with the PWNA was at the Tampa event in July. They were openly advertising their cert program then."

Some members feel that the minute you resigned from the BOD you made a deal with Delux and PWNA, while your  name is still on our corporate documents. 

"I made my deal with Delux in August of 2010. I was pushing the RCIA"

Bill Booze is on the PWNA Certification commitee, and he just said PWNA was nowhere near ready.

"Bill knows about as much as I as he has stated that the PWNA hasnt had any cert com meetings. I am not sure how they are coming up with it. I heard that Charlie brought a bunch of PWNA cert questions and gave them to our cert comm."

Hilborn, Mrza, and Eric Clark ate dinner with us not even a year ago, and had not a clue how we clean roofs. Yet you are telling me they are all the sudden "ready" to issue certifications for roof cleaning ?

"As you know Chris that was a meeting the Ron had organized with you and Bill before I was ever involved. The PWNA was already working on their roof cleaning program before then."

"Actually Chris Mike Hilborne has cleaned about as many roofs as you have. He knows how to clean roofs. Just not my style of roof cleaning."

For YOU to teach a roof cleaning class that offers PWNA Certification vs ours means you support PWNA Certification AC. 

" I have an obligation to give a class that offers a certification test at the end. The RCIA didnt perform as promised and did not deliver to Delux what we asked for. The RCIA committed to providing the 50 Point Standard and a 100 question test. Sorry you were not at any of the meetings of the BOD to have heard and understood that. When the RCIA failed to meet the March 14th commitment that was agreed upon by the cert comit by its chair and also communicated as well through Bill Booz Delux and I got the vibe it wasnt going to happen. Then the PWNA jumped on that opening like a chicken on a june bug!"

Therefore, you are a traitor to the RCIA. The president of Ford Motor Company would never consider promoting Chevrolets.

"Sorry you feel I am a traitor. If honoring my word and working selflessly for an org I wasnt even being paid by is being a traitor than so be it!"

AC

 

 

 

 

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-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:43:36 AM

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:44:34 AM

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I thought the deadline was always April 1st? I don't remember ever hearing March 14th?

 

 

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 AC you have been causing trouble on this board since day one, the day you come here.

enough is enough, I just wish you would leave, If seems all through your career you have been stepping on toes?

I'm tired of you pushing your product in every other thread.

I'm tired of your greed, Can't you leave and promote your stuff some where else.

why do you have to hang out here, their is  other places?