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RE: Certification and Vendors

BCRoofClean · Guest

wanna-b-1 wrote:

Ok my two cents if it means anything. I am not certified yet. All because i don't get online every night and tell someone good job just to get a post. I have been reading and reading and reading and understanding alot. Therefore I don't have many posts. There needs to be something besides just posting to go towards certification. I could start posting stupid stuff like crazy just to get my posts up but thats not me. I would rather get certified by what i know and how well I do a job. Just because someone has 100,200,300 posts doesn't really mean a darn thing.
If someone wants to get certified, why cant one go to a certified instructor and do a house with them or for them while they over see your and when the job is done then the instructor reports back to the board and the instuctor states whether or not a certification should be adwarded or not. Or possibly an online test.
Don't get me wrong I love this site and have learned a ton from reading and talking to others and have paid for my membership. There are some very good and informational posting here but there needs to be some distinction between good posts and just the b.s. ones to get your posting up there. I'm not saying that people shouldn't put pics up because you should be proud of the work you do. And you should get praise from your peers But a simple good job reply shouldn't count towards your postings to get certified.
Sorry if this offends anyone, just my opinion. If i'm wrong about how the postings work then i apologize.

You are totally right and I hope you know that we have developed a certification committee and this is all underway.

Posts alone wont get you certified anymore. Its a good idea to post and voice opinion and stay connected in the roof cleaning world and many more reasons why to post, but cert isn't one of them.

No problem and no need to apologize, this just means you agree with the RCIA and are happy that its going this way.

dollarspa · Guest

garyw wrote:

First off, I don't know where you are getting your info, but it is way off base. Whoever told you that a $500--$1500. fee will be charged for certification is smoking something that is illeagle. There has been discussion on a certification fee, but it is nothing like you are stating.

The statement about "the ones that got in free are going to raise the standard" is also incorrect. Once the new certification standard is in place, EVERYONE will be required to take the tests to receive or maintain their certification status. Yearly re-newals will be required, along with a certain number of continous education credits that will be earned by participation in various educational and safety topics online.

There is a lot more work to be done on this, but we are progressing well. When it is complete it will be the standard for the industry and you will be proud to be certified and a member of RCIA.

Try to hold the false rumors to a minimum and wait for the truth.
Gary

This was just posted yesterday in another thread:

"The first Delux University, SoftWash & Roof Cleaning Class is set to be 4th - 8th which will be a 300 plus page curiculim"

I might be interested in this RCia event.

I have 2 questions ?
How much will this course cost ?
and if I take this class do I become Rcia certfied ?

thanks

-- Edited by dollarspa on Monday 28th of February 2011 06:46:08 PM

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Feb 28, 2011

wanna-b-1 wrote:

Ok my two cents if it means anything. I am not certified yet. All because i don't get online every night and tell someone good job just to get a post. I have been reading and reading and reading and understanding alot. Therefore I don't have many posts. There needs to be something besides just posting to go towards certification. I could start posting stupid stuff like crazy just to get my posts up but thats not me. I would rather get certified by what i know and how well I do a job. Just because someone has 100,200,300 posts doesn't really mean a darn thing.
If someone wants to get certified, why cant one go to a certified instructor and do a house with them or for them while they over see your and when the job is done then the instructor reports back to the board and the instuctor states whether or not a certification should be adwarded or not. Or possibly an online test.
Don't get me wrong I love this site and have learned a ton from reading and talking to others and have paid for my membership. There are some very good and informational posting here but there needs to be some distinction between good posts and just the b.s. ones to get your posting up there. I'm not saying that people shouldn't put pics up because you should be proud of the work you do. And you should get praise from your peers But a simple good job reply shouldn't count towards your postings to get certified.
Sorry if this offends anyone, just my opinion. If i'm wrong about how the postings work then i apologize.

But I

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Feb 28, 2011

want to

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Feb 28, 2011

become a Master Certified Roof Cleaning Instructor.... biggrin

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas · Guest

I havent figured out why the current certifications are still recognized when they are obviously about as good as tits on a boar hog....

It would be a major boost to the Rcias credibility if we stood up and yelled out to the world that were through with those things.

And after that put in place what you like as long as its legit.

Feb 28, 2011

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas wrote:

I havent figured out why the current certifications are still recognized when they are obviously about as good as tits on a boar hog....

It would be a major boost to the Rcias credibility if we stood up and yelled out to the world that were through with those things.

And after that put in place what you like as long as its legit.

Chris, I think that would be because those of us who were certified back in the beginning, were certified by the RCIA standards in place at that time.
If you become certified this year, by whatever standards exist at RCIA for certification. Will you be pleased if in a couple of years, someone suggests your certification should no longer be recognized, because new requrements are in order?
I had cleaned roofs since 1989 and was certified, not by posts, even though there was a post requirement too, but by Chris Tucker.
He asked me 20 questions that he considered needed knowledge for roof cleaning and of course, I knew the answers.
Some of you need to take a reality check on this. Roof cleaning certainly requires some knowledge, but it's not brain surgery. Unless a person is an idiot, then it shouldn't take long to figure out the acceptable RCIA methods of cleaning roofs.
The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association is also pretty clear and simple on how they want shingled roofing cleaned.
I think certification should be simply, that you clearly recognize how to properly clean a roof.
I don't think it should be "Now, how complicated is it possible to make this roof cleaning proceedure look?"
It's not all that complicated.
I should think that those of us who were around in the beginning of certification, probably know this business better than most of the newer people, who would like to see us lose our recognition as professionals, who have already been certified by RCIA standards, at the time we were certified.
Why try to take away what others have earned already, why not just try to get yourself certified?
Chuck

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:49:02 PM

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:50:44 PM

Feb 28, 2011

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas wrote:

I havent figured out why the current certifications are still recognized when they are obviously about as good as tits on a boar hog....

It would be a major boost to the Rcias credibility if we stood up and yelled out to the world that were through with those things.

And after that put in place what you like as long as its legit.

Chris, I think that would be because those of us who were certified back in the beginning, were certified by the RCIA standards in place at that time.
If you become certified this year, by whatever standards exist at RCIA for certification. Will you be pleased if in a couple of years, someone suggests your certification should no longer be recognized, because new requrements are in order?
I had cleaned roofs since 1989 and was certified, not by posts, even though there was a post requirement too, but by Chris Tucker.
He asked me 20 questions that he considered needed knowledge for roof cleaning and of course, I knew the answers.
Some of you need to take a reality check on this. Roof cleaning certainly requires some knowledge, but it's not brain surgery. Unless a person is an idiot, then it shouldn't take long to figure out the acceptable RCIA methods of cleaning roofs.
The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association is also pretty clear and simple on how they want shingled roofing cleaned.
I think certification should be simply, that you clearly recognize how to properly clean a roof.
I don't think it should be "Now, how complicated is it possible to make this roof cleaning proceedure look?"
It's not all that complicated.
I should think that those of us who were around in the beginning of certification, probably know this business better than most of the newer people, who would like to see us lose our recognition as professionals, who have already been certified by RCIA standards, at the time we were certified.
Why try to take away what others have earned already, why not just try to get yourself certified?
Chuck

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:49:02 PM

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:50:44 PM

Oh, and if I sound a bit rattled, it's because I am.
To me it just sounds like some of you have already "yelled out to the world" I'M JEALOUS THAT ANYONE WAS CERTIFIED PRIOR TO ME!

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Feb 28, 2011

Oh, and if I sound a bit rattled, it's because I am.
To me it just sounds like some of you have already "yelled out to the world" I'M JEALOUS THAT ANYONE WAS CERTIFIED PRIOR TO ME!

And you aren't even a "Roof Cleaning Institute Of America Master Certified Roof Cleaning Instructor". That is the part that is the real joke. Especially some of the people that I see with that title.

Rsuds · Guest

I'm ready after 21 years of cleaning.

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas · Guest

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Oh, and if I sound a bit rattled, it's because I am.
To me it just sounds like some of you have already "yelled out to the world" I'M JEALOUS THAT ANYONE WAS CERTIFIED PRIOR TO ME!

I dont have time for petty stuff like that. I actually meant what I said.

<<<<Look under my pic.

Im not getting after you personally Chuck. Its just my opinion. :)

Guest

11:09 EST and there are 17 guest on the forum. I wonder how many of those are potential customers reading this thread.

Shheesh guys. Take this sort of talk to the shade if it must occur.

Want to hash it out? Wednesday, TalkShoe, 8:00 PM ET. Then there's no paper trail for the word to see/read.

Mar 1, 2011

Roof Cleaning Northern Virginia (571) 250 9650 wrote:

11:09 EST and there are 17 guest on the forum. I wonder how many of those are potential customers reading this thread.

Shheesh guys. Take this sort of talk to the shade if it must occur.

Want to hash it out? Wednesday, TalkShoe, 8:00 PM ET. Then there's no paper trail for the word to see/read.

I'm sorry about that Ted I had not considered that and you are right. It's just hard to read some of this crap and not defend myself.
Posts like Chris made are of no possible benefit to anyone. They are just meant to degrade others.
I will try to be at TalkDhoe Wed and discuss this then.
Chuck
Chuck

Patrick Carder · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

Roof Cleaning Northern Virginia (571) 250 9650 wrote:

11:09 EST and there are 17 guest on the forum. I wonder how many of those are potential customers reading this thread.

Shheesh guys. Take this sort of talk to the shade if it must occur.

Want to hash it out? Wednesday, TalkShoe, 8:00 PM ET. Then there's no paper trail for the word to see/read.

NO This is the type of things that your customers and mine will find very interesting to read about. Pat C

RCIA Founder

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas wrote:

I havent figured out why the current certifications are still recognized when they are obviously about as good as tits on a boar hog....

It would be a major boost to the Rcias credibility if we stood up and yelled out to the world that were through with those things.

And after that put in place what you like as long as its legit.

Chris, I think that would be because those of us who were certified back in the beginning, were certified by the RCIA standards in place at that time.
If you become certified this year, by whatever standards exist at RCIA for certification. Will you be pleased if in a couple of years, someone suggests your certification should no longer be recognized, because new requrements are in order?
I had cleaned roofs since 1989 and was certified, not by posts, even though there was a post requirement too, but by Chris Tucker.
He asked me 20 questions that he considered needed knowledge for roof cleaning and of course, I knew the answers.
Some of you need to take a reality check on this. Roof cleaning certainly requires some knowledge, but it's not brain surgery. Unless a person is an idiot, then it shouldn't take long to figure out the acceptable RCIA methods of cleaning roofs.
The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association is also pretty clear and simple on how they want shingled roofing cleaned.
I think certification should be simply, that you clearly recognize how to properly clean a roof.
I don't think it should be "Now, how complicated is it possible to make this roof cleaning proceedure look?"
It's not all that complicated.
I should think that those of us who were around in the beginning of certification, probably know this business better than most of the newer people, who would like to see us lose our recognition as professionals, who have already been certified by RCIA standards, at the time we were certified.
Why try to take away what others have earned already, why not just try to get yourself certified?
Chuck

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:49:02 PM

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:50:44 PM

I agree Chuck.

Mar 1, 2011

Patrick Carder wrote:

Roof Cleaning Northern Virginia (571) 250 9650 wrote:

11:09 EST and there are 17 guest on the forum. I wonder how many of those are potential customers reading this thread.

Shheesh guys. Take this sort of talk to the shade if it must occur.

Want to hash it out? Wednesday, TalkShoe, 8:00 PM ET. Then there's no paper trail for the word to see/read.

NO This is the type of things that your customers and mine will find very interesting to read about. Pat C

You are probably right. Maybe people like Chris shouldn't make ststements like this here and then those he is talking about wouldn't feel the need to reply. Of course, every added post, like yours, keeps the topic alive?

Mar 1, 2011

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas wrote:

I havent figured out why the current certifications are still recognized when they are obviously about as good as tits on a boar hog....

It would be a major boost to the Rcias credibility if we stood up and yelled out to the world that were through with those things.

And after that put in place what you like as long as its legit.

Chris, I think that would be because those of us who were certified back in the beginning, were certified by the RCIA standards in place at that time.
If you become certified this year, by whatever standards exist at RCIA for certification. Will you be pleased if in a couple of years, someone suggests your certification should no longer be recognized, because new requrements are in order?
I had cleaned roofs since 1989 and was certified, not by posts, even though there was a post requirement too, but by Chris Tucker.
He asked me 20 questions that he considered needed knowledge for roof cleaning and of course, I knew the answers.
Some of you need to take a reality check on this. Roof cleaning certainly requires some knowledge, but it's not brain surgery. Unless a person is an idiot, then it shouldn't take long to figure out the acceptable RCIA methods of cleaning roofs.
The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association is also pretty clear and simple on how they want shingled roofing cleaned.
I think certification should be simply, that you clearly recognize how to properly clean a roof.
I don't think it should be "Now, how complicated is it possible to make this roof cleaning proceedure look?"
It's not all that complicated.
I should think that those of us who were around in the beginning of certification, probably know this business better than most of the newer people, who would like to see us lose our recognition as professionals, who have already been certified by RCIA standards, at the time we were certified.
Why try to take away what others have earned already, why not just try to get yourself certified?
Chuck

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:49:02 PM

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:50:44 PM

I agree Chuck.

Thank You Chris Tucker!
That means a lot to me!
More than all the naysayers put together!
Chuck

Mar 1, 2011

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning 515-971-1430 wrote:

dollarspa wrote:

100 people standing in line to get certified.

55 people post 100 times and get a phone call and get certified. Seems fair.

now with the the remaining group waiting in line to get certified the rules change

and

now the first group that got in free... will vote for higher standards and want to charge the people left in line 500-1500 dollars by requiring them to go to a school.

Paying a 100 dollars to become a premium member to have a voice in this matter would be nice but I already know what the results will be 99 paid members who are certified will vote to raise the requirement and my one vote to continue 100 posts and phone call ....Oh well
..
Edit...I like chris t.and larry M and ac seems nice this is not attack on any of these people and it is not a argument with any of the current certified roof guys.

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-- Edited by dollarspa on Saturday 20th of November 2010 04:04:29 PM

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-- Edited by dollarspa on Saturday 20th of November 2010 04:09:20 PM
I have not heard about any of this. In any event, even though I am certified, I have no expectation of any pass for certification. Again, certification does not control my business. I have yet to have a customer ask me about being certified, am I certified, etc., The bottom line for any customer is what is in it for them. No different then any other service. I had the same mind set when I had my house remolded, checked out some of their work and hired them.

I am willing to bet that if standards or guidelines are set unrealistic many won't concern about being certified, me included.

Bottom line, let your work speak for itself. Post your work. List references on your web page. Who better to certify you then your customers. Speaks for itself.

Again, certification should only indicate your business adheres to the RCIA professional standards and process of roof cleaning.

Hi Bruce

I think your take on this is very reasonable.
What dollarspa wrote- doesn't sound like any of it's correct????
Chuck

dollarspa · Guest

This was just posted yesterday in another thread:

"The first Delux University, SoftWash & Roof Cleaning Class is set to be 4th - 8th which will be a 300 plus page curiculim"

I might be interested in this RCia event.

I have 2 questions ?
How much will this course cost ?
and if I take this class do I become Rcia certfied ?

thanks

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