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RE: Let the waters calm down, and stay that way.

Ron Musgraves · National Cleaning Expo's

Washed-up wrote:

I love my Brotherhood!

Thanks Brother!!!

I'm a brother more than you even know!!

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miked wrote:

ron,
im sorry you are a teader totter. i never said you where an azz i just said that we as members do not want to hear this little kid bickering on a topic that does not affect my business.

If you want and answer from lori then just ask her privately and stop posting about this. Lori dosen't owe us an answer so no one should really care.

I also choose my vendors on the way im treated and price and how qwuick i get it delivered. so this topic will not sway me either way.

Peace!!!!!!!!!!

somebody please delete this nonesense of a thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why was it re-started if you wanted a cover up?

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I will not be posting to this site until this thread is gone private..

I have children at home, I dont need anymore

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Ditto what Scott said. The air has been muddied up. It's Lori's chance to clear it. I think everyone, regardless of what has happened previously, is interested in hearing Lori's side of the story.

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Ditto what Scott said. The air has been muddied up. It's Lori's chance to clear it. I think everyone, regardless of what has happened previously, is interested in hearing Lori's side of the story.

The water are not really muddied up, PWP did nothing wrong.

Rex didnt know Lori was giving the UNit away.

Rex simply stopped it, I'm ok with it!!!

That is the truth....

He found out only a few days ago after months.

-- Edited by Ron Musgraves on Sunday 27th of June 2010 04:34:28 PM

gutterdog · Jun 27, 2010

garyw wrote:

Ron Musgraves wrote:

Lori,

I feel bad that you sold your personal Items, but you truly need to come clean about who and why your not doing this. Why does it matter? Maybe it isn't any of your business.

Rex stopped it, you did not have and no longer have any authority to make choices for PWP. If that is true, why are you questioning Lori. Do you need the phone # for Rex? Maybe you feel more "Manly" picking on a female? In one of your other posts you wanted to move on because this was a dead issue. Now you're back to it. Did you not read the heading of this thread?

This was my fault not going straight to Rex. I was shocked when he Knew nothing about it which you know a couple people right here will confirm this is the truth with out mentioning names. I'll be willing to bet the names are mentioned here shortly!

I take the blame there Lori, it was bad judgement on my part. Just like this post and all the others regarding this.

Up too this point we have given away at least 10 pressure washers and we are now looking at changing the way we do this for 2012. Live and learn!!

Lori, we understand our customers want to meet you. So stop with all the drama and trying to lay blame on us. I take full responsibility for all the mishap. Then let it drop

Now lets move forward and put this to pass.

Lori Smith is invited personally(FREE) to the show as a quest of RCIA & NCE. If PWP wants to attend they need to pay like all Vendors do to support the show.

This is a RCIA event In a large Way!!!
Ron, as I told you when you called me, there is better ways of handling this matter. With all your knowledge and new found info, why are you still picking on Lori? It makes no sense to me why you continue to pursue your present course of action. I wonder how many people now wish they had NOT planned on attending your event with all the ill feelings being generated over your persistence to downgrade Lori and PWP's reputation. As I told you on the phone, I could care less if anything was given away since I am not attending and probably never will if you are involved in it. I see too many similiatities in your personality with someone else who no longer is welcome here and is about to fall on his face.
I really have no horse in this race so it does not matter to me who wins or loses. It just gripes my azz when someone keeps pursuing something that will not benefit or change anyone except to create hard feelings or damage a business they have worked hard to build. Think this may damage your business also? Time will tell!
Now go back and read the title of this thread and abide by it please!

I'm prob late as usual, lol!! This smellin like UAMCC chit. Chris be carefull man.

The PWP logo is on the RCIA shirts. I'm told. Hope I get one!

I almost won some fragrance or the butter, today, first time I watched the vid. After I post this I'm going and gettin a gallon of both from her.

Ron. Ron is Bad Azz!!! I think I've watched every vid he's in. We can all learn from him.

I'm going to the Tampa event, Upgraded my room today!, Representing RCIA.

Whatever I missed, I'm going there with an opened mind and to have fun! Meet all the dudes that have helped me, and maybe I've helped, Its gonna be a blast! I've only been to one so far. Nowhere the size of this one!!!!

The knowledge I got from the first one, everything I've put in place. Let me give some credit to the MWCoA!!! I went there for 2 reasons. I was asked by a window friend in my area and Henry was speaking.

To ALL RCIA. Dont cut your nose off to spite your face. Everything will work out, and you'll be smarter for going to Tampa! Chris gonna be there too. Hopefully Lori and PWP.

Well let me go make my first order with Lori at PWP!

Ron Musgraves · National Cleaning Expo's

Thanks

gutterdog · Jun 27, 2010

Hey Ron! I think I'm gettin it. I'm pickin from bits and pieces. Supply companies have to pay to be at seminars. Makes alot of sense! Create loyalty, make money.

Lori has put out her situation. I dont feel she is lying. For the past 4 years or more! I've made every mistake that could be made. Lived very poorly, past few years.

Well the RCIA wants to keep her in business, and so do I.

Also, I'm better off now, co wise for knowing you Ron and Henry, Beth.... List goes on!

Ron, It seems you are in charge of this?

I got a crazy azz idea! I'll support it! Whatever it cost for the PWP to be there. To have a booth? Or to be recognized.

Heres my idea! Either give a discount to PWP, first time. Or let the RCIA guys get the money up? I'll donate.

Kory · Guest

Walk wrote:

Hey Ron have you ever been to the Tampa zoo that is 5 miles away from the convention?

Its one of the best in the nation its called lowry park zoo.

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

This is such a joke. If this was PressureTek none of you would protest, and he's never promised something and not delivered. Next time ANY other supplier is talked about in a bad way whether they deserve it or not, I am going to blow this BBS up with complaint posts until I get banned.

Everyone knows I disagree with Lori on alot of things, but this is not about her specifically. Its about the hypocrisy of you guys. I dont care who the supplier is if they have bad business practices they should be called out and not given a pass.

I admit, I am partial to PTek, but I have exposed their flaws in the past when they have popped up.

Every one of you who use PWP need to look at who you are working with. If you get all the info and still want to do business, then great keep buying from them. If you find out they cant be trusted then dont. But dont blindly take sides without knowing.

Bob is THE most trusted supplier on the BBS's except this one. Lori gives great service and has great prices. I will use both depending on what Im buying. Since Rex owns the company, and it was not Him who made the promise, then I wont hold it against them. If I find out he DID know and changed his mind, well then its over because I wont deal with a company who has no integrity.

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Threatening to go to the roof cleaning board were they type more than they clean roofs is a very silly idea. If you don't already know how clueless those guys are and what it means to listen to them, than you will find out as hundreds already have.

I have been dealing with this in private as all of you have recommended all weekend and I only have this to offer.

Lori's business has grown huge from posting here on this board. They went from a 3 person to a 5 person business because of you, our members!! Lori has given back to us with contests and freebies.
Ron has been trying to usher RCIA into a real trade association from the start. The leader of that other board mentioned earlier almost ruined our chance of doing an event by hiding that he was not going to attend and left me with the burden of announcing it only 2 weeks before the event. It hurt the event and it hurt the RCIA!!

This event was meant to represent the RCIA and PWP almost as one entity and little did we know that PWP was not going to be there.

Thousands of dollars were spent promoting PWP with RCIA, shirts, newsletters etc... so it really is about us not just Ron's show.

Lori has not answered one question Ron has asked, but I was able to find out that it was true that Rex was not aware of the skid giveaway and never intended to give it away. This came after we spent a lot of effort and Ron spent almost 10k$$ promoting them. So literally they reaped the benefits of 10k in free advertising and it has pissed Ron off.

I don't think Ron can damage Lori's reputation with us, her customers. I will be buying some items from her in the very near future. But he is right that we do not cover up failures in our leadership. (By the way that is exactly what Dave asked me to do repeatedly, cover his mistakes and that is a big part of why he is no longer here.)

So look, and listen and learn, because I still want to know the truth myself. And weather I like Ron, Lori, Chris , Dave or anybody I am going to do what best helps my Family, my business, and the members of this association in that order!!
Many of you have seen me expose lies and bad business principles in the past and if you haven't you should know that I work hard to be as fair and balanced as possible. I like honesty and truth. With that said...................

Ron and Lori, I have pretty much told both of you everything the other has told me so there are no secrets of who's story says what, you both know from me directly what the other ones story is.
I have also told Chris the full story as far as I can see it and he has told me what he has heard from both of you and others.

I am sure a bunch of you may get mad at me, and I just want you to know that I tried my best to find an answer to this and my decision was to see if these two could work it out with you guys write here. It doesn't matter if the public sees that we are real people with real passion and actually have a couple real arguments a year.

Gary and myself left that other thread up all day on purpose until the name calling just got very ugly. Just as we left the thread about safety were one of our honored members got mad and left the forum, it was never deleted. We don't delete posts that make us mad, we delete ones that are spam or harm the forum. That should be a good thing otherwise I would delete everyone from MD and Chris would delete everyone from Fl, you know?? Instead we try to embrace our competition and we try to give people a chance to make their point. This all has a degree were it cuts off, and another moderate pulled that thread and was right to do sa as it was getting out of hand. This one doesn't have to be like that.

So to recap... Ron has not hurt Lori's business, Lori has not hurt RCIA and therefore they have the right to make accusations and defend themselves on the RCIA forum when the RCIA is promoting Lori and Ron for free. It is very much all tied together. In the end The RCIA, NCE, PWP, and PWNA can all work together and all make a better situation for the future. This is called growing pains and you all had to do it yourself at one time or are even doing it now!!

On a side note:
I am also aware of what Dave is feeding people over this, though I have not shared it, he should know when this gets to him. Your eyes and ears are the same as mine Dave so you have already lost their trust, and your little mind games only make you seen for what you are. Stop trying to steal our members with your petty BS and start getting members by giving them instructors that actually clean lots of roofs!!

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Great post Bill.

What "other" board are u guys talking about? A PM will work...

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Poor Bill had to work all day then to come home to this mess, you guys are like a bunch of wild indians getting crazy and starting trouble and not knowing when to quit.

Ron Musgraves · National Cleaning Expo's

I have never tried to Damage Lori or PWP's reputation.

Under the circumstances I still have made attempts to have them attend.

She thanked me for understanding about the whole Skid ordeal.

She asked if she could still attend, I said Ok...

The deadline date approached, I assumed she still was not interested. They a friend called and said call Lori. So I did and extended the deadline on printing media again.

Days go by and this is when I learned Rex knew nothing about NCE or the event.

This Blew My mind and now I was asked for the first time to call REX. 6 months after Lori committed to the Give-away I'm finding out the owner knows nothing.

Lori wrote and Article in NCE, I asked Rex did you see the Article Lori Wrote herself in NCE? He said what is that.

I told him how much a Booth was and he declined the right on the spot.

He started in about teh 25 per person and how if he got paid to speak and he was suppose to get 5000 from someone who promised him that? I have not clue at what that was but he had witnesses.

To me I truly didnt care anymore, its not worth it.

I admit I was pissed at Lori at that Point and felt slighted.

Despite all the BS I big enough to allow Lori to Attend Free because I know alot of guys Like her. Hell I said this before I like her, I was only trying to help her and PWP.

If Rex wants to attend he needs to call Me about the private business of purchasing a Booth.

Lori can attend Free like all contractors and Be Lori.

For the 1000 time its all up to her, I'm sorry on my end for any wrongs I have made pissing people off.

Truly Lori I like you, I was only trying to help you and you deep down know thats the truth.

Ron Musgraves · National Cleaning Expo's

It will be a great Event, if Lori doesnt come I suggest you all meet for lunch dinner both or go by her shop.

If she doesnt come we can arrange transport for all the guys who want to see Lori & REX.

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gutterdog wrote:

garyw wrote:

Ron Musgraves wrote:

Lori,

I feel bad that you sold your personal Items, but you truly need to come clean about who and why your not doing this. Why does it matter? Maybe it isn't any of your business.

Rex stopped it, you did not have and no longer have any authority to make choices for PWP. If that is true, why are you questioning Lori. Do you need the phone # for Rex? Maybe you feel more "Manly" picking on a female? In one of your other posts you wanted to move on because this was a dead issue. Now you're back to it. Did you not read the heading of this thread?

This was my fault not going straight to Rex. I was shocked when he Knew nothing about it which you know a couple people right here will confirm this is the truth with out mentioning names. I'll be willing to bet the names are mentioned here shortly!

I take the blame there Lori, it was bad judgement on my part. Just like this post and all the others regarding this.

Up too this point we have given away at least 10 pressure washers and we are now looking at changing the way we do this for 2012. Live and learn!!

Lori, we understand our customers want to meet you. So stop with all the drama and trying to lay blame on us. I take full responsibility for all the mishap. Then let it drop

Now lets move forward and put this to pass.

Lori Smith is invited personally(FREE) to the show as a quest of RCIA & NCE. If PWP wants to attend they need to pay like all Vendors do to support the show.

This is a RCIA event In a large Way!!!
Ron, as I told you when you called me, there is better ways of handling this matter. With all your knowledge and new found info, why are you still picking on Lori? It makes no sense to me why you continue to pursue your present course of action. I wonder how many people now wish they had NOT planned on attending your event with all the ill feelings being generated over your persistence to downgrade Lori and PWP's reputation. As I told you on the phone, I could care less if anything was given away since I am not attending and probably never will if you are involved in it. I see too many similiatities in your personality with someone else who no longer is welcome here and is about to fall on his face.
I really have no horse in this race so it does not matter to me who wins or loses. It just gripes my azz when someone keeps pursuing something that will not benefit or change anyone except to create hard feelings or damage a business they have worked hard to build. Think this may damage your business also? Time will tell!
Now go back and read the title of this thread and abide by it please!

I'm prob late as usual, lol!! This smellin like UAMCC chit. Chris be carefull man.

The PWP logo is on the RCIA shirts. I'm told. Hope I get one!

I almost won some fragrance or the butter, today, first time I watched the vid. After I post this I'm going and gettin a gallon of both from her.

Ron. Ron is Bad Azz!!! I think I've watched every vid he's in. We can all learn from him.

I'm going to the Tampa event, Upgraded my room today!, Representing RCIA.

Whatever I missed, I'm going there with an opened mind and to have fun! Meet all the dudes that have helped me, and maybe I've helped, Its gonna be a blast! I've only been to one so far. Nowhere the size of this one!!!!

The knowledge I got from the first one, everything I've put in place. Let me give some credit to the MWCoA!!! I went there for 2 reasons. I was asked by a window friend in my area and Henry was speaking.

To ALL RCIA. Dont cut your nose off to spite your face. Everything will work out, and you'll be smarter for going to Tampa! Chris gonna be there too. Hopefully Lori and PWP.

Well let me go make my first order with Lori at PWP!

You will get two shirts and a Hat!!!

BCRoofClean · Guest

Sooo..How about this NL East. Quite a battle huh? Phillies looking hot and to reclaim that number one spot.

Washed-up · guest

All about the college football here!! Cant wait for the season to start!!

Go Gators!!

If your not a Gator...You're GATOR BAIT!!

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i feel like i am back in high school again. You guys sound like a bunch of school girls crying over spilled milk. if you want to get banned from this site then ban yourself. Theres plenty of other forums to go on and talk about the same things.

From what i have gathered there is no cover up there was just someone being overzelous and trying to do something to help themselves and others.

I do not have sides when it comes to suppliers. I use both pwp and p tek and it all comes down to price and service. Thats it and all it will ever be. If i feel i get treated right and get a good deal with fast and prompt service then thats all i need.

We all depend on are supplies to provide us with the tools and knowledge we need to effectively get the job done right and keep our businesses up an running.

I still strongly feel when thing like this are brought out publicy they may influence someone who may not of otherwise felt the way they did before they read something then they get caught up in the mess and bam,they are on the other side of the track.

on the other topic,
Dave is more caught up in other projects that he has obviosly made some enemies because of some bad business practices. I see it all the time and as a business owner you cant allow yourself to get caught up in the chit. Dave pretty much kicked himself off and started another forum. That forum nowhere near compares to this organization we have going and i would like to keep it that way.

Bill,
Can you delete the guys from south jersey for me. HAHA lol!!!!!!!

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