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I'm setting up my rig and wiring everything up. For some reason I'm having trouble with the trailer lights. The lights seem to work including turn signals...when I go to apply the brake...the lights on the trailer go off...release the brake they come back on. It's a standard 4 way plug. disbeliefdisbeliefdisbelief

Any Ideas?

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     Bob, that makes no sense. The lights should only have one way of working. If the turn signals are working, then something is definitely wrong.

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Trailer lights are noturious for having problems, especially grounding problems. I would probably take it to a local trailer dealer and let them take a look.

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So the turn signals only work then when you press the brake b/c otherwise they would be lit up full time.

I don't understand what you mean by saying the turn signals are working...

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Hell buy a new light kit for 40 0r 50 bucks if you cant figure it out!

I actually have lights now, which is kind of nice.

I spent 75 on the led lights a few weeks ago and rewired the whole setup. it didnt take 30 minutes.

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really sounds like a ground,or lose wire!

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Midtown wrote:

So the turn signals only work then when you press the brake b/c otherwise they would be lit up full time.

I don't understand what you mean by saying the turn signals are working...



          Hell buy a new light kit for 40 0r 50 bucks if you cant figure it out!

          I actually have lights now, which is kind of nice.

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    Everything works fine ....but no brake light ...and with the running lights on when you press on the brake the lights go off.


    This is a brand new light set  no  and it is cold as a MF outside. I was just hoping for a quick fix on something I was possibly overlooking? confuse

Thanks & I keep you posted...

 



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Bob,

Quick answer, here is a set of FAQ's we use for our boat trailers as we are in and out of sal****er almost daily. Remember the Gulf Coast area FL to TX is the most corrosive salt water area in the US. There are some more but we can't trailer or go there.

FAQ's And Trailer Wiring Problems
When I have the headlights on and apply the brakes, all the lights on my trailer go out.

You may have a weak ground problem. A poor ground that is strong enough to provide some lighting functions but not all. When the taillights and brake lights are used at the same time, it creates the maximum amp load of the lights on the trailer. If a ground problem exists, it will show at this point. The places to check grounds are as follows.

The connector on the tow vehicle should have a ground wire secured tightly to a clean unpainted surface on the frame. A wire attached to an insulated body sheet metal panel, a surface with undercoating or rust can cause a ground problem. Test with an ohm meter for the path of least resistance. (battery disconnected from vehicle)
The t-connector from the tow vehicle should have a ground wire and should be secured tightly to a clean surface on the trailer.

Each tail lamp assembly at the back of the trailer also must be grounded. This is done in one of two ways. The first is by a separate wire coming from the back of each taillight lamp assembly being secured to the frame. The second, and most popular, ground is achieved through the bolts of the taillight lamp assembly. In this case, the lamp housing must be attached to the metal frame of the trailer. If the lights are mounted on wood or plastic material, the light circuit will never receive a ground.

Note: The trailer hitch ball of the tow vehicle should never be considered sufficient ground.

When I use one turn signal the other one blinks.

This is usually related to one of two things. The first could be a short somewhere in the system. All trailer wiring and the tow vehicle connector should be checked and tested. The second, which is the most common problem, is a weak ground in the system.

I am blowing fuses / circuit breakers on my tow vehicle.

Possible live wire shorting to ground. Check all wires for bare copper or places where a wire or cable could be pinched. Possible overload of too many lights on the trailer. Calculate the amp load your trailer is pulling, see below. Most cars are equipped to handle only standard lighting on trailers; one rear turn / brake signal on each side and 1 set of left and right marker lights. Large trucks, vans or suvs can handle more. Check your owners manual.

If you know the wattage of the bulbs on your trailer you can use the formula P = I X E

P = watts
I = amps
E = 12 (volts)

NOTE: For estimating use only. Amperage is rounded to the nearest whole value. May not apply in all cases. Always check with your tow vehicles owners manual about adding additional loads to your electrical system. Some 12 volt batteries produce up to 14 volts on full charge. Use a VOM (volt ohm meter) to test.


-- Edited by Redfisherman on Friday 5th of March 2010 07:42:10 AM

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Friday 5th of March 2010 07:49:33 AM

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Redfisherman wrote:

Bob,

Quick answer, here is a set of FAQ's we use for our boat trailers as we are in and out of sal****er almost daily. Remember the Gulf Coast area FL to TX is the most corrosive salt water area in the US. There are some more but we can't trailer or go there.

FAQ's And Trailer Wiring Problems
When I have the headlights on and apply the brakes, all the lights on my trailer go out.

You may have a weak ground problem. A poor ground that is strong enough to provide some lighting functions but not all. When the taillights and brake lights are used at the same time, it creates the maximum amp load of the lights on the trailer. If a ground problem exists, it will show at this point. The places to check grounds are as follows.

The connector on the tow vehicle should have a ground wire secured tightly to a clean unpainted surface on the frame. A wire attached to an insulated body sheet metal panel, a surface with undercoating or rust can cause a ground problem. Test with an ohm meter for the path of least resistance. (battery disconnected from vehicle)
The t-connector from the tow vehicle should have a ground wire and should be secured tightly to a clean surface on the trailer.

Each tail lamp assembly at the back of the trailer also must be grounded. This is done in one of two ways. The first is by a separate wire coming from the back of each taillight lamp assembly being secured to the frame. The second, and most popular, ground is achieved through the bolts of the taillight lamp assembly. In this case, the lamp housing must be attached to the metal frame of the trailer. If the lights are mounted on wood or plastic material, the light circuit will never receive a ground.

Note: The trailer hitch ball of the tow vehicle should never be considered sufficient ground.

When I use one turn signal the other one blinks.

This is usually related to one of two things. The first could be a short somewhere in the system. All trailer wiring and the tow vehicle connector should be checked and tested. The second, which is the most common problem, is a weak ground in the system.

I am blowing fuses / circuit breakers on my tow vehicle.

Possible live wire shorting to ground. Check all wires for bare copper or places where a wire or cable could be pinched. Possible overload of too many lights on the trailer. Calculate the amp load your trailer is pulling, see below. Most cars are equipped to handle only standard lighting on trailers; one rear turn / brake signal on each side and 1 set of left and right marker lights. Large trucks, vans or suvs can handle more. Check your owners manual.

If you know the wattage of the bulbs on your trailer you can use the formula P = I X E

P = watts
I = amps
E = 12 (volts)

NOTE: For estimating use only. Amperage is rounded to the nearest whole value. May not apply in all cases. Always check with your tow vehicles owners manual about adding additional loads to your electrical system. Some 12 volt batteries produce up to 14 volts on full charge. Use a VOM (volt ohm meter) to test.


-- Edited by Redfisherman on Friday 5th of March 2010 07:42:10 AM

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Friday 5th of March 2010 07:49:33 AM



          Fred...Thanks for taking the time in helping me out. I will use your information and try figuring out what the HL is going on.

 Thanks again



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You'll get there. Just recheck how you wired it. I did it and I had no clue? Double check the diagram of the wiring box?

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damn...now when I hit the brakes my pump starts runnin.... roof cleaningroof cleaningroof cleaning

lol jk...I'll keep you guys posted.... Thanks Again!



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Finally figured it out...major grounding problems!!!

Also, for the 12v trailer feed for the pump...I was missing the relay under the hood.

Little sand paper to remove the rust and a $6.99 relay...I'm IN BUSINESS.

Just waiting for my equipment from LORI!!! roof cleaningroof cleaning

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Nice answer Fred. Someone knows there trailers really well!! I am glad you figured it out Bob. From the headaches and troubleshooting you can see why I said take it down the road to a trailer pro, lol. Good thing we had a trailer pro here!! Thanks for such a detailed answer Fred.

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nice work bob!  Congrats on the certification.  Are you running your pump off your truck battery?

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Thanks to all for the positive feedback. glad I could help.  I know in a few days that I will be asking for some help when I post a few pictures of a roof about to be done.  Spoke with Lori today and we discussed the roof in question.  I am going to order some oxalic acid for it "BUT" this is where I run out of "altitude and experience all at the same time".  Just an old skydiving term for someone new to the sport who crashes and burns, but hopefully learns something is alive and walks away.

That is what is great about this forum, everyone has different experiences and knowledge about something.  When we share those learned experiences everyone WINS, and we are all better for it.



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Evergreen wrote:

nice work bob!  Congrats on the certification.  Are you running your pump off your truck battery?




 Thanks....yea I have a 7 way setup running back to the trailer. When the truck is running it'll charge the battery giving me enough power to run my delevan. Hopefully it all works out as planned.

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My first trailer had the same problem. Drove me crazy...... Def a ground problem

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What size trailer did you go with? Can we see some pics of your setup?

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