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i just bought a yamada kynar ndp15 clean 10 roofs with it now it needs a complete rebuild i was told by the saleman that i can run it @100psi all day long with no problems now im being told i can only run it @80psi continuious 100psi in short term i was wondering if any one can tell me what psi should i be running this pump @ i use a emglo compressor that puts out 16cfm@90psi i just dont want to run into this problem again i was forced to buy a 12volt pump from northern tools and plum it in reel quick just to finish the job i would greatly appreciate any advice im pretty new to roof cleaning and cant afford to make to many mistakes

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No lets wait for the pros take on this. Hes headed in the right direction and id like to know whats wrong as im looking down the same road.

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Ok I have your answer H2O. The pump you are using is rated at 80-100psi at 15 cfm. It seems you were pushing 100psi at 16 cfm and this is riding the max or above. There are a few things that will prevent this in the future. Add a second air flow regulator at the pump set to a maximum of 85 psi. (dual redundant regulator set up) This way if the first regulator off the air compressor fails or is misadjusted, then the second one becomes a fail-safe. Check that your operating pressure is staying at the # you set even when the trigger is not open. When you are spraying the pressure may drop, but if it spikes to 100-120 when you are not spraying (deadhead position) this can be a problem.

Another thing you need is a moisture trap at the pump. You can find these on ebay for 10-25$$. The reason for this is so that no oil, moisture or chlorine gas enters the pumps diaphragm which will ruin it. Get one with a clear float so you can see when it needs emptied or replaced. DO NOT oil your pump diaphram this will also ruin it.

Also, these pumps can be run dry, but if they are run dry constantly for long periods of time, this may also cause excessive wear or damage.

Keep your air compressor intake in a position that will not be sucking up chlorine gas near your chemical tank. This Chlorine gas will ruin your air tank, hoses and regulators.

The psi regulation along with any moisture/oil that entered the diaphragm is what ruined your pump. These solutions will fix your problem.

Just FYI, these problems can be avoided by future rig builders, by posting what you are building as you build it. Then the pros here can catch any mistakes you may be making in your build. Good luck H2O and welcome to the board. Please fill out the rest of your profile so we can know who you are better.
 
Here are pics of a moisture trap with clear float boal, and replacable filter.



-- Edited by Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 on Sunday 10th of May 2009 11:34:09 AM

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thank guys i'll go to northern tools today and get the filter sound like it should solve the operator eror on my part so i can get back to work now atleast i have a 12volt back up so if something happends again

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H2OCleaningandRestoring wrote:

i just bought a yamada kynar ndp15 clean 10 roofs with it now it needs a complete rebuild i was told by the saleman that i can run it @100psi all day long with no problems now im being told i can only run it @80psi continuious 100psi in short term i was wondering if any one can tell me what psi should i be running this pump @ i use a emglo compressor that puts out 16cfm@90psi i just dont want to run into this problem again i was forced to buy a 12volt pump from northern tools and plum it in reel quick just to finish the job i would greatly appreciate any advice im pretty new to roof cleaning and cant afford to make to many mistakes




We have run that pump with an 18 CFM compressor at 100 psi with NO problems.
With THAT amount of  CFM there should be no reason to run at 100 PSI ?
We ran the pump up there at 100 psi  to intentionally torture it.
Something ELSE must have been wrong ?
Sounds like oil/water getting into the pump ?
Please let us know what you found wrong when you rebuild the pump ?


 



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H2O
When you open it up see if it is full of liquid. I hope you find the problem.

Chris what kind of gpm were you getting out of them ?? It's good to know they can take that kinda abuse.

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when we opened it up it there was oil and water in it and the main seal was swolen so bad that it wouldnt even go back together kinda tells me that i was running to much pressure but i didn't know that the oil would hurt the pump to

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h2o,
were you using a water seperator and oiler? I know these pumps call for no lubrication and to have a water seperator / regulator near the pump is the best solution for that.


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Bill,

I'm starting to build my rig and appreciated the dual air flow regulator idea.  Also the moisture trap at the pump.  I'll integrate them into my rig.  Thanks.

Steve Johnson
Bossier City, La

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#1. The question you need to ask yourself is what type of or what your warranty covers. Personally a 100PSI ...110 Sur- Flow does the trick for me. Covers me for about two seasons strong... Relatively inexpensive!!! Take care of it( Purge With Water) and it will carry your weight for two seasons strong...

#2. Always have a backup on hand., If you buy one pump get two and carry your back up on the truck / van... You never Know! In fact I carry a back up of almost everything...   Plyers, PVC tubing, PVC  Ball Valves, Teflon Tape. an extra Sur- Flow Pump...etc...

Like carring a spare tire. You can only use 4 at a time but man that fifth one comes in real handy when one of the 4 blows..

Regards,
James
 EHS
Memphis

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Memphis TN on Monday 15th of June 2009 03:59:55 AM

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Memphis TN on Monday 15th of June 2009 04:00:22 AM

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Sur-Flow man.. Less maintenance.  The work horse of EHS!!!!!
No oil separators, blaa blaa blaaa...

Sur-Flow is the way to go.. Personally Speaking with 8 plus years behind me.....

Just my thoughts and not necessarily the opinions of the RCIA...

James
EHS
Memphis, YTN



-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Memphis TN on Monday 15th of June 2009 04:07:07 AM

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