I guarantee if I followed any roof cleaner around and took pictures and tried to find wear or something. I could find it easily. Especially if the roof was already jacked up from moss. Its childish and I would never do anything like that. Moss destroys peoples roofs if they let it go to long. Can you argue with that? It would be great if everyone did the proper maintenance but thats just not the case. We are dealing with people here who dont know or even care most the time. Its our job to educate the public on proper maintenance techniques. I tell everyone to treat your roof every year even if its new so you dont ever have that moss problem. Moss destroys roofs and no matter what method you use there has to be some abrasiveness to remove it. Im honest always and have done the pressure washing and chemical methods and have found my way of brushing to be the least abbrasive on the roof. If I find that one of my competitors is taking pictures of work I did and sayin I was causing damage I would make it a point to to take pictures of every job they did and find something wrong in every case. Cant believe there are people like that. Why dont you just concentrate on getting jobs, growing your business and doing your own thing. Lets all be friends there is a lot we can learn from each other. This website is a great example of that.
I guarantee if I followed any roof cleaner around and took pictures and tried to find wear or something. I could find it easily. Especially if the roof was already jacked up from moss. Its childish and I would never do anything like that. Moss destroys peoples roofs if they let it go to long. Can you argue with that? It would be great if everyone did the proper maintenance but thats just not the case. We are dealing with people here who dont know or even care most the time. Its our job to educate the public on proper maintenance techniques. I tell everyone to treat your roof every year even if its new so you dont ever have that moss problem. Moss destroys roofs and no matter what method you use there has to be some abrasiveness to remove it. Im honest always and have done the pressure washing and chemical methods and have found my way of brushing to be the least abbrasive on the roof. If I find that one of my competitors is taking pictures of work I did and sayin I was causing damage I would make it a point to to take pictures of every job they did and find something wrong in every case. Cant believe there are people like that. Why dont you just concentrate on getting jobs, growing your business and doing your own thing. Lets all be friends there is a lot we can learn from each other. This website is a great example of that.
We NEVER ever name a competitor by NAME - or bad mouth their work. BUT - I did take these pics of a "chlorine cowboy" who came through a neighborhood cleaning roofs alone w/o protecting the plants. I have THESE pictures on my roof cleaning blogs to WARN customers about what CAN happen if they hire the wrong company. But NEVER do we mention any names
Have you tried leaving it on yet, and seeing it fall off over time after killing it with SHC. It breaks at the root level leaving the shingle and granuals in tact. He only took that pic because he was already on the roof. He didn't go hunt it down. I think you are missing the point here. We want to share RCIA methods, because we know they work. Have you tried any of it yet. If not than how can you compare it to your method?? Guessing dosn't cut it. Your statement that there has to be some abrasiveness to remove it proves that you are ignoring what is being said here. That statement is incorrect. Rain and wind will remove it and are non-abbrassive, as has been said many times by pros here with 20+ years of experience. Please stop flooding the posts with FALSE information and try and learn something instead.
Oh and to answer your question. I think the point of him posting the pics was to share the damage that can be done from doing it the wrong way. He didn't attack anyone. He just shared something he saw when he went up on the roof.
Why hav'nt you finished your signiture properly yet ?? It seems to me that you are ignoring all the advice on here and just starting arguments. You and me are about the same age, and I for one realize I have alot to learn in life and business. Are you doing $1million in sales like some of the pros here??? If so than tell me how to do it, if not than shut up and listen for a change!!!!!
Your guarentee that you can find damage on any roof cleaners job is evidence of your swollen ego as well as your ignorance. I am very offended by your statements, almost every post you right is offensive in some way. Show some respect to your elders as well as the business leaders on this board. Go find damage on Apples jobs or Daves. Good luck with that seeing as they don't even walk on the roof!!! If the roof only has Gloeocapsa Magma, there will deffinetly be no damage. How dare you slander the entire board with one statement, who do you think you are? You sir, need a serious additude adjustment!
And: I don't care about the apology post you are going to write after this one. (That seems to be your method of making it ok) Those posts seem half hearted as you just start another uproar immediatly. (This thread is a perfect example) It dosn't matter if you didn't mean to SLANDER us, because you did it anyway. We do not damage roofs, you do!!
-- Edited by Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 on Monday 4th of May 2009 05:25:36 PM
It is true that some granules will be removed by moss no matter what the method of cleaning. I have witnessed this and the damage was done by the fact that moss was growing and the roots loosening the granules. Now if you forcably remove the moss you are going to pull up even more granules that the roots are holding on to but are not lose yet. Killing it with the methods posted here will losen the hold the roots have and cause even less granule loss than any other method.
The purpose of the pictures is to show home owners what can happen if incorrect cleaning methods are used. Not to bad mouth anyone. Because others are using what is deemed to be the recommended method there is no roof damage so they must take pictures of damage caused by incorrect methods of cleaning.
Maybe it is just me but it seems to be a lot of questions be asked lately about roof cleaning methods that are easily found in the search section. If you do not like the methods that are tought here by VETERAN, PROFESSIONAL ROOF CLEANERS, there are plenty of other sites. You will find in many lines of business, low baller fly by nights getting the jobs. In my area the tide has started to turn. Many customers are becoming hesitant to take the lowest bid, for good reasons. Constantly getting calls to fix someone elses mess. Not complaining, it's work for us,just makes me sick customers are getting ripped off!!
I like your business name Roger. + is like an open ended question. I hope your customers are like: plus what?? Then you can grab the upsell for gutters, pw or whatever else you do. Guess I never thought to mention it before, good work!!
Bill your an easy man to like. Your rebuttal is timely and well said. We have a lot of positive vibe with the majority of the members sharing, teaching and learning on a daily basis. To tactfully express an opinion about something you have firsthand experience, bad experience with or general concerns about is constructive and engaging. To take a close minded stance based on assumptions, lack of experience, assumed facts combine with negativity speaks volumes about mentality of the source who is giving it.... Just my humble opinion. Sleep tight brother!
Your most very certainly welcome Mark, and thank you Scott for your kind compliment. As well thank you to the rest of the board for being proffesional on most matters and keeping this board positive and informative. I did not want to do this earlier post, but I will not stand for such ridiculuos attacks against my brothers in roof cleaning. We are strong and proud here at the RCIA, and we welcome all people on this Earth with a desire to learn and/or share.
HAHA, Wow..Did that homeowner really drag his pressure washer to the top of his roof. I bet he broke quite a few tiles in that process haha, should have just went with the professional
I have personally done a few in boone with moss and even a couple around here in wilmington, and the best way is to let is sit for at least 20 minutes, AT LEAST. Then when the moss has turned white you have to find the angle to spray it at. Now I know some of you are thinking , what the hell is he talking about. Well I really don't know either but for some reason if you spray some off you can find the right angle to spray it at, left to right, down at a right angle or whatever, but it will come off easier when the angle is found. it has to do with the direction it grows towards the shade and how it has rooted. Its wierd but it has worked for me. so take it for what its worth.
As for the whos doing what to who. what I have learned, and just learned in the last year, is to not care or worry what other companies are doing. If you are getting business your doing it right and theres enough roofs for everyone. If they are bad mouthing your company its cause there jealous or having to bad mouth you to keep up with you cause the customers are leaning towards you. If they steal your pictures they are just proving they can't do what you do or they would be using there own pics. Be flattered and work on your sales game and make sure your roofs are flawless then you shouldn't have any problems. My words of wisdom for the day.