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RE: Plastic-Mart for tanks

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 · guest

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 wrote:

cabair72 wrote:

Hello everyone,

My name is Chris I am located in Eastern, PA. I am new to this website and the roof cleaning industry. With that being said this is the best website I have every had the pleasure to be a part of "you guys are great". My main business is 85%waterproofing & 15% pressure washing and I am extremely excited to be adding roof cleaning to my portfolio.

I am in the process of setting up my rig and was wondering if anyone has ordered a tank from Plastic-Mart? I apologize in advance if this has been discussed before but I was unable to find anything on this topic.

I am looking to order a tank form 110 to 200 gallons. What specifically should I be looking for in a tank in addition to size & UV protection.

Thanks in advance for your help.

This is info for the Synder Tank Mfr.
Material options for a diverse range of application requirements
- High-density linear polyethylene (HDLPE)*- black and natural white color - complies with FDA Regulation 177.1520 and NSF/ANSI 61 standards.
- Cross-linked, high density polyethylene (XLPE) - black and natural white color
Opaque white sodium hypochlorite resin #880059 (up to 525 Gal.)
Sulfuric acid resin #880046 (up to 525 Gal.)
Low profile designs increase safety factors.
Available in a wide variety of styles, 25-3400 gallons.
Horizontal products are available in specific gravities up to 1.9.
All materials are UV stabilized for long-term outdoor service.
Any tank with the SPECIFICALLY STABILIZED High-density linear polyethylene (HDLPE) compound is probably going to be more than adequate for Sodium Hypochlorite use.

Some tanks without this additional additive may rupture of BURST over time when exposed to chemicals, UV. , pressure and stress fracture.

More Tank related info from just ONE manufacturer..

There are MORE?

2. What chemicals can I store in your tanks?
Poly tanks have a broad range of chemical resistance to both Agricultural and Industrial chemicals. For Industrial Chemicals refer to the Snyder Chemical Resistance Recommendation Chart on that site or contact the chemical supplier to see if their product is compatible with high density linear polyethylene (HDLPE) or cross-linked polyethylene (XLPE). If they cannot answer your question, call Snyder Industries and we will be happy to research it for you. Try to have as much information available as possible such as the temperature of the product, the percent concentration of product (Ex: Sodium Hypo chlorite, 15%) etc.

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3. What material does Snyder use to manufacture it's poly tanks?
Snyder uses HDLPE (high density linear polyethylene) to manufacture our tank line. High density linear polyethylene has good structural rigidity and impact resistance. It is resistant to a broad range of chemicals including sulfuric acid, sodium hypo chlorite, and sodium hydroxide.

We also offer, for specific applications XLPE (cross-linked polyethylene). Cross-link polyethylene has excellent structural rigidity and impact resistance. It is used as an alternative to HDLPE for storing surfactants or solvent-based chemicals, or for higher service temperatures.

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4. Which tank material is best?
General guidelines of material selection are not advisable. It is always best to provide the tank manufacturer with specific application details (chemical, concentration, specific gravity, temperature, dimensions, mechanical loading) so a proper tank design recommendation can be made by the factory and/or your Snyder distributor.

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5. How heavy a material can polyethylene tanks hold?
A tank with a specific gravity of 1.5 can hold a liquid up to 12.5 pounds per gallon at 100 degrees F. A tank with a specific gravity of 1.9 can hold a liquid up to 15.75 pounds per gallon at 73 degrees F. Please note that an increase in liquid temperature will substantially decrease the specific gravity rating. Also, certain chemicals have environmental stress cracking agents in them so higher specific gravity tanks are needed to compensate even though the weight of the chemical may be lower. Please refer to the Snyder Chemical Resistance Recommendation Chart or call Snyder Industries to determine which tank design is best suited for the chemical application.

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6. What is the wall thickness of your tanks?
Because Snyder tanks have a stratiform wall thickness (varies from top to bottom on a tank), wall thickness is not the best gauge for determining the quality of a tank. The very bottom of the tank is the thinnest part of the tank and is made that way to flex when the tank is empty or full. The actual weight of the tank is also not a good comparison when shopping for tanks. Just because a competitor may use more material in the tank does not make it a better tank. That is determined by the resin, mold design and the steps taken during the rotomolding process. Lower grades of resins will require a thicker tank wall to compensate.

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7. Are your tanks FDA compliant?
The resin used to manufacture our linear polyethylene tanks (HDLPE) meet specifications contained in FDA Regulations 21 CFR 177.1520, © 3.2 an so may be used as an article or component of articles intended for use in contact with food, subject to any limitations in the regulation. Cross-linked polyethylene (XLPE) tanks do not meet FDA regulations. The HDLPE resin that Snyder uses is also NSF 61 listed.

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8. What is the maximum temperature that your tanks will withstand?
Linear polyethylene (HDLPE) storage tanks have a maximum storage temperature of 130 degrees F. Cross-linked polyethylene (XLPE) storage tanks have a maximum storage temperature of 140 degrees F.
NOTE: The leading manufacturers in this industry design their tanks based upon 100 degrees F with ASTM D 1998 calling out 73 degrees F. It is important to contact the factory when your application will continuously be above 100 degrees (ambient). The tank can be designed specifically for your elevated temperature application.

-- Edited by Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 on Thursday 23rd of April 2009 12:24:12 PM

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 · guest

And here is even MORE SH compatibility factors and UV info?

Do we need more PROOF?

15. How many years will my tank last?
There are many variables that can have an effect on the life of a polyethylene tank.

The type of material being stored in the tank, it's concentration, and temperature. The temperature of the application can be a factor, especially if the tank design is not based upon the temperature of the application. Some applications may permeate the polyethylene at elevated temperatures. Special considerations - some chemicals will have long term affects on the polyethylene and may require special considerations. As an example, sodium hypo chlorite will degrade from UV exposure and elevated temperature. As it degrades it can build up sediment in the bottom of the tank. If this sediment is periodically flushed from the tank it will extend the life of the tank.

Installation and PIPING! - The number one reason for tank failures is due to improper installation. It is important to follow Snyder's "Guidelines for Use & Installation". Having flexible connections that compensate for the expansion and contraction of the tank will extend the life of the tank.

Is the tank used indoors or outdoors? The amount of U.V. exposure will be based upon the time of exposure and the closeness of the installation to the sun (elevation). What part of the country are you in? Tanks used outdoors in states subjected to more intense sunshine will be more affected by the sun. UV rays will have a detrimental effect on the life span of all poly tanks.

Storage or process - Is the tank a holding tank or a processing tank? A tank that is continuously cycled will see more stress then a tank that remains at one level or close to one level for extended periods of time. Tanks with excessive agitation may also be exposed to undo stress. Stationary tanks will also not see the stress of a tank that is being transported.

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16. Will freezing temperatures hurt my poly tank?
Freezing temperatures will not have an affect on a polyethylene tank, however, if there is liquid in the tank, make sure the freezing liquid has enough head room to expand.

Snyder utilizes a test called "Low Temperature Impact Resistance". This is a test utilized by both the ARM (Association of Rotational Molders) and ASTM D 1998. Snyder has testing capabilities that exceed the requirements of ARM and ASTM D 1998. They call out -20 degrees F for the test, but Snyder has conducted testing at -40 degrees F. This test is critical to determine if the resin has been properly processed and it will give you an idea as to the temperatures that the resins can see. It is important that efforts be made to avoid impacting the tank, especially with sharp items, at any temperature.

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17. Is there some way to tell when my tank was made?
Snyder tanks are produced with a molded-in serial number (wheel-date/month format). In addition, the tank's bar code label has a 10-digit serial number and date of manufacture. Your Snyder Sales or Customer Service person, can help you interpret the date of manufacture.

cabair72 · Guest

Thanks guys for all the input.

David thanks for all the information it will be extremely helpful in choosing a tank.

I post the tank I end up going with.

Thanks again.

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 · guest

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:

Scott D. said to David:
Dave. Dont lecture me.

The only fact I stated was that I had been using them for a year, w/ no problems. No other statement was made by me.

"I dont care if YOU manufacturer the damn tanks.
Dave's thoughts-"Ok, Buddy, easy does it, it's ONLY about tanks and safety"
Scott said: What works, works. Is there something else that works better? probably.
Dave's thoughts- "Well, if it works FOR YOU GREAT, Scott. But having the said next sentance, why can't you accpet that I and the manufacturers may have valid points too?"

Scott said: Thanks for "putting your foot down" it has really put things in perspective for me.
Dave's Thoughts- What does Scott mean "Prospective"? Did he actually take offense that I came back and offered LOGIC and reasoning and Data to support my claims, not, just"If it works, it works?"
And here I thought we were roof cleaning "brothers"?
Wow, he did actually take it personally, when all we are trying to do is get the best answer to a tank leak and longeveity subject asked to THE BOARD by a new roof cleaner to be safer on the road and on the job.
Putting my foot down meant that I sometimes ACTUALLY am not NEAUTRAL all the time and do KNOW some things to be true and factual and stand up for my opinion ARMED with FACTS and DATA to support my claims.
I do this for the BETTERMENT and HELP and safety and SAVINGS to the NEWBIE that may not know what I know.
Mine is NOT about EGO, it is about TRUTHFULLY exposing myths on occasion.
What is Scott taking such a position? What is HIS Motive? Hmm.

Scott,

Ok, buddy. I rescind, it is ONLY a tank and we are only trying to keep others safe.

What you have stated is correct.

Also, the statements I have made are correct, according to not only me but also BACKED by research and chemical compatibility data.

If you are upset at my long winded explanation that went onto lecture all those that may not have done the "due diligence" then I do formally apologize to you or anyone else who may take it as a personal attack.

What I posted is NOT a personal attack but a response to the ability of certain information to get diluted in translation.

My post was and is not about personalities here, it is simply about "Facts"as each person sees them through "THEIR" own filters.

Mine are valid as are YOURS and others here.

The post was about principles on which new roof cleaners or those without the knowledge or filters to discern which may be not the wisest long term tank choice for them, not according to me, but according to data available from the tank manufacturers.

I am really trying to do my best and remaining "NEUTRAL" in most cases, in comments and responses and posts, however, I too get short tempered, frustrated or even tired of getting called out on debatable subjects where the bottom line is that we are all here to learn BEST METHODS and PRACTICES.

The lecture was not just aimed at you but to anyone who may think that opinions rather than facts may confuse the newbie or the uninformed about what may be a better choice for them rather than buying a Tractor Supply tank locally with a pre-installed bulkhead that may leak and have more infromation and another alternate choice by having more information, mnay help them avoid corrosion, tank failure, unneeded repairs and more uptime rather than downtime.

I say all that to say this. You may take this "putting my foot down" in the wrong way or you can choose to look at it constructively.

I am not so shallow as not to recognize when I a may be wrong and to correct it with an sincere appology.

The post made by you is a harsh reminder to me that things can EASILY be taken out of context and exacerbate to levels unnecassay given the subject at hand.

Oops!
Sorry to have indavertantly LECTURED again..

"I just hope one day we can all play nice in the sandbox together" -Charlie Brown

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 · guest

cabair72 wrote:

Thanks guys for all the input.

David thanks for all the information it will be extremely helpful in choosing a tank.

I post the tank I end up going with.

Thanks again.

Affinity/Chris:

You are MOST CERTAINLY WELCOME. Anytime.

I just hope you make the BEST decision for you BASED on THE FACTS presented here and the information we all presented.

Everyone here brings VALUABLE Knowledge to this discussion, even if positions differ and viewpoints vary.

We are ALL PASSIONATE about the Roof Cleaning INDUSTRY as a WHOLE.

All of the veterans and CERTIFIED roof cleaners here on the RCIA bring LOTS of experience to the "Roof Cleaning" table.

One day, you will too.

I and I am SURE all of the RCIA veterans, CERTIFIED ROOF CLEANERS and others members just like you look forward to hearing of your success and prosperity in the roof cleaning trades.

If you study, learn, do and share about this cleaning opportunity you will help the next guy coming up in the trade to help feed and support his family.

That is why I AM passionate about roof cleaning and teaching and training in correct cleaning methods.

Personally, nothing gives me greater pleasure than to know a person like yourself can build a better life, LIFESTYLE and support himself and family by learning a new trade, especially one with such a BRIGHT FUTURE as Safe, NON-PRESSURE , Low PRESSURE Roof Cleaning using the correct cleaning agents and methods as outlined right here, on the ROOF CLEANING INSTITUTE of America.

All the best to you and your business, Chris.

Respectfully,

David W.-

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 wrote:

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:

Scott D. said to David:
Dave. Dont lecture me.

The only fact I stated was that I had been using them for a year, w/ no problems. No other statement was made by me.

"I dont care if YOU manufacturer the damn tanks.
Dave's thoughts-"Ok, Buddy, easy does it, it's ONLY about tanks and safety"
Scott said: What works, works. Is there something else that works better? probably.
Dave's thoughts- "Well, if it works FOR YOU GREAT, Scott. But having the said next sentance, why can't you accpet that I and the manufacturers may have valid points too?"

Scott said: Thanks for "putting your foot down" it has really put things in perspective for me.
Dave's Thoughts- What does Scott mean "Prospective"? Did he actually take offense that I came back and offered LOGIC and reasoning and Data to support my claims, not, just"If it works, it works?"
And here I thought we were roof cleaning "brothers"?
Wow, he did actually take it personally, when all we are trying to do is get the best answer to a tank leak and longeveity subject asked to THE BOARD by a new roof cleaner to be safer on the road and on the job.
Putting my foot down meant that I sometimes ACTUALLY am not NEAUTRAL all the time and do KNOW some things to be true and factual and stand up for my opinion ARMED with FACTS and DATA to support my claims.
I do this for the BETTERMENT and HELP and safety and SAVINGS to the NEWBIE that may not know what I know.
Mine is NOT about EGO, it is about TRUTHFULLY exposing myths on occasion.
What is Scott taking such a position? What is HIS Motive? Hmm.

Scott,

Ok, buddy. I rescind, it is ONLY a tank and we are only trying to keep others safe.

What you have stated is correct.

Also, the statements I have made are correct, according to not only me but also BACKED by research and chemical compatibility data.

If you are upset at my long winded explanation that went onto lecture all those that may not have done the "due diligence" then I do formally apologize to you or anyone else who may take it as a personal attack.

What I posted is NOT a personal attack but a response to the ability of certain information to get diluted in translation.

My post was and is not about personalities here, it is simply about "Facts"as each person sees them through "THEIR" own filters.

Mine are valid as are YOURS and others here.

The post was about principles on which new roof cleaners or those without the knowledge or filters to discern which may be not the wisest long term tank choice for them, not according to me, but according to data available from the tank manufacturers.

I am really trying to do my best and remaining "NEUTRAL" in most cases, in comments and responses and posts, however, I too get short tempered, frustrated or even tired of getting called out on debatable subjects where the bottom line is that we are all here to learn BEST METHODS and PRACTICES.

The lecture was not just aimed at you but to anyone who may think that opinions rather than facts may confuse the newbie or the uninformed about what may be a better choice for them rather than buying a Tractor Supply tank locally with a pre-installed bulkhead that may leak and have more infromation and another alternate choice by having more information, mnay help them avoid corrosion, tank failure, unneeded repairs and more uptime rather than downtime.

I say all that to say this. You may take this "putting my foot down" in the wrong way or you can choose to look at it constructively.

I am not so shallow as not to recognize when I a may be wrong and to correct it with an sincere appology.

The post made by you is a harsh reminder to me that things can EASILY be taken out of context and exacerbate to levels unnecassay given the subject at hand.

Oops!
Sorry to have indavertantly LECTURED again..

"I just hope one day we can all play nice in the sandbox together" -Charlie Brown

Dave I dont take things personally.

And this statement "Dave's thoughts- "Well, if it works FOR YOU GREAT, Scott. But having the said next sentance, why can't you accpet that I and the manufacturers may have valid points too?"

Is where you go off track. I never discount what others say and lecture them because I dont agree. I offer a different point of view maybe, but NEVER have I said because I have cleaned more roofs than you that my way is better.

You on the other hand have, and do consistantly.

Either way, this is not constructive, and I dont think I am elitist enough to fit in.

Have fun guys.

Guest

I'm glad I'm about to get busy here in Central, Pa,..because I won't be paying NEAR as much attention to all this crap. Simple topics turning into complete confusion.

Jeff

-- Edited by Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 on Thursday 23rd of April 2009 11:27:26 AM

cabair72 · Guest

Scott & David,

I can't tell you how nice it is to see how passionate you both are about roof cleaning & the equipment. I would like to thank both of you for all your help.

I will use all the information you have provided in this post as well as from the rest of the forum to put together the best equipment & use the best business practices 7 procedures possible.

But in the end as I tell my kids, I will educate you the best I can, what you do or don't do with that education is completely up to you & ultimately you are responsible for the decisions you make.

Thnaks again for all your help!!!

Chris

RCIA Founder

cabair72 wrote:

Scott & David,

I can't tell you how nice it is to see how passionate you both are about roof cleaning & the equipment. I would like to thank both of you for all your help.

I will use all the information you have provided in this post as well as from the rest of the forum to put together the best equipment & use the best business practices 7 procedures possible.

But in the end as I tell my kids, I will educate you the best I can, what you do or don't do with that education is completely up to you & ultimately you are responsible for the decisions you make.

Thnaks again for all your help!!!

Chris

Us Roof Cleaners LOVE our profession biggrin

Roof Clean USA Georgia 229-227-0000 · guest

cabair72 wrote:

Scott & David,

I can't tell you how nice it is to see how passionate you both are about roof cleaning & the equipment. I would like to thank both of you for all your help.

I will use all the information you have provided in this post as well as from the rest of the forum to put together the best equipment & use the best business practices 7 procedures possible.

But in the end as I tell my kids, I will educate you the best I can, what you do or don't do with that education is completely up to you & ultimately you are responsible for the decisions you make.

Thnaks again for all your help!!!

Chris

Hey,

WAZZZZUP!?

If your gonna live, LIVE with PASSION!

I love roof cleaning, building Roof cleaning equipment, pressure washing,etc.

I find GREAT joy in.......

"Spraying pressurized and NON-water and cleaning agents for money"

It gives me a GREAT sense of Satisfaction...especially when I witness the MAGIC trick...."The BEFORE and AFTER"

In fact, come to think of it....

Heck, sometimes I even do it for FREE (can you say CHARITY CLEANING biggrin

)

All the best in your NEW endeavor of cleaning roofs safely,

David

P.S. Once you learn all there is to know about roof cleaning, PAY IT FORWARD and help another aspiring roof cleaner as well. That's "How It Works"

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Wow this all happened today?? Go clean a roof.... lol

Celebrity Death match......I mean roof cleaner deathmatch lol

Just kidding guys don't get mad

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