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I get bored easily. When I do, I start doing roof cleaning related research. Ammonyx LO (lauramine) and Myristamine are chlorine stable surfactants, for sure. And, they are great products.  But, they are not cheap, especially when shipping is involved.

So, I have long been on the lookout for something a roof cleaner can easily buy in a local store, that is cheap, and chlorine stable.

Contrary with the "advice" on some Forums, Ammonyx LO, Myristamine, Roof Snot, etc, etc, and not the ONLY chlorine stable surfactants.

That's right folks, Good Old Sodium Laurel Sulfate, and it's relatives, are also Chlorine Stable!  Sodium Laurel Sulfate is very chlorine stable, and used by Many Dish Soap brands. The Problem is, most, if not all dishwashing liquids, contain OTHER non chlorine stable surfactants, that ruin them, for roof cleaning use!

I bought some GAIN dishwashing liquid (it was on sale at the Dollar Store), and washed some dishes with it. I usually only buy Dawn.

I have found that most dishsoaps can not compare to Dawn, for washing dishes, But, wait a minute! 

The Liquid Gain sudses up just as good as Dawn! So, curious as to what surfactant, or combination of surfactants they use, I decided to look.

Well, WTF do you know, most everything in it appears to be totally Chlorine Stable !!!

This may be an accidental breakthrough  discovery guys! 

I will have to check on the copolymer they are using to thicken their product, and the methylisothiazollone, whatever That IS ?

The chit smells realy good too, and the smell is quite strong, so it may help out there too ?

If any of u guys want to try it, buy the regular version, not the antibacterial. I don't know what is in that stuff yet.

Remember Guys, Ammonix LO is simply Lauramine, and there is Lauramine in Gain!

This needs to be looked into, don't ya think ?

 

 

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What are the ingredients for gain dishwashing liquid?

 
water, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, lauramine oxide, sodium chloride, phenoxyethanol, PEI-14 PEG-10/PPG-7 copolymer, methylisothiazolinone, fragrance, yellow 5.
 



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Like I said, Gain Dishsoap has a really powerful smell to it that MAY be of help too us. I was searching, and it seems the powerful smell in Gain Liquid Dishsoap is intentional ! 

The story of how P&G targeted the liquid to Hispanic consumers speaks to the burgeoning buying power of the community. Between 2000 and 2010, census data show, the Hispanic population rose 43 percent to 50.5 million. And it is estimated that the group has a collective buying power of about $1 trillion, according to a recent report by Packaged Facts, a research firm.

P&G found that a powerful soap that makes plates sparkle is not enough for Hispanic consumers; they want a cleaning product that smells good, too. Indeed, products that make cleaning feel more enjoyable are particularly appealing to this community, according to a report from Mintel, a research firm.

“Being aware of these emerging consumers helps P&G design products that better meet her needs,’’ said Gain manager Michelle Lohman. “In the case of Gain dish [soap], this means helping make her dish-washing experience better by giving her an amazing scent experience while she cleans the dishes.’

Making a dish soap that smells good became P&G’s mission in March 2009. Rather than creating an entirely new brand in the thick of the recession, the company turned to one that had been a proven success with minorities, particularly Hispanics.

Gain, a laundry brand that struggled for decades to distinguish itself against rivals, found a loyal following after P&G began focusing more on scent rather than pure cleaning prowess. By 2009, more than 50 percent of Gain laundry purchases came from Hispanic or African-American consumers, and the booming popularity transformed Gain into a billion-dollar brand.

Leylha Ahuile, a senior multicultural analyst at Mintel, said Gain offers tremendous potential for P&G given the rapid growth expected in the Hispanic population.

Gain has tapped into a group that is price-conscious and loves aromas, and it’s made them quite successful,’’ Ahuile said.



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It will be worth trying. It could be worth the trouble

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It has a pretty strong scent, especially for a dish soap.



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Chris have you tried it? I know you have some big tanks on your truck. If youre anything like me you'll worry about coming back with product and it goes limp before you get to use it.

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Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:

Chris have you tried it? I know you have some big tanks on your truck. If youre anything like me you'll worry about coming back with product and it goes limp before you get to use it.


 I do plan to try it this week!



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I think I have tryed Gain...tropical scent or somthing like that. I didn't like the results.

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Has anyone let their surfactant freeze? I have my 55 gallon of roof snot, and I still have a bunch left. I'm not sure if I have to bring it the garage or leave it in the apex roof cleaning warehouse. I did a little science experiment, I put a bottle of dawn in my freezer for the day, and then let it thaw out. It seemed to have the same viscosity as before.

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I don't let anything freeze.

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Roof Cleaning Long Island N.Y 516-763-4108 wrote:

I think I have tryed Gain...tropical scent or somthing like that. I didn't like the results.


 NOT Gain Laundry Soap, but Gain Liquid Dishsoap



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I stand corrected....again.

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Roof Cleaning Long Island N.Y 516-763-4108 wrote:

I stand corrected....again.


 It's all good Charlie! Gain Dishwashing Soap is fairly new. When all of us think about Gain, we think about Laundry Soap.

LOL, I ate a bowl of canned chili I just microwaved in a white corning ware container. I put a little Gain soap in the dish, and ran just enough hot water in it to fill it up. I just let it sit, and came back in 1/2 of an hour. I did stir the soapy water with a spoon, but that is all, no scrubbing. 

The chili stains were completely gone! This is my little "test" for surfactant power, LOL



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Here is another chemical in Gain - Methylisothiazolinone (if link doesn’t work copy and paste:  http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/factsheets/3092fact.pdf) is a registered pesticide.  The EPA approval is for industrial use. (preventing mold and bacteria on heavy equipment in oil field operations, cooling systems, paints, dip tanks and sprayers) No where in the approval documentation does it list a use for “personal care products”.

Wow, preventing Mold and Bacteria roof cleaning



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I posted a while back about simply using Sodium Lauryl Sulfate as the surfactant. 29% Can be purchased in 5 gallon pails on ebay for $95.00. ($59.00+ shipping) Still a good deal, especially when you cut it in thirds to make a 9%. I read somewhere before that Dawn was like 7% SLS. So if you're using the other soaps "designed" for roof cleaners like snot or whatever that's one thing, but if you're using dish soaps, it only makes sense to buy it as pure SLS instead of a repackaged product like Dawn. SLS is thickened by the use of salt, that's what companies do to make a product look thick and luxurious.
SLS makes a nice thick whiter than white foam. I don't use it in my roof mix, but I do use it in my house wash. Rinses clean as well.

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Ray why don't you use it on roofs? Have you ever? Results?

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If you're asking Jeff from RAYstown Roof Cleaning, it's because I don't like a soapy roof mix. Not gonna go into it again as to why. My point is to simply mention that to those using dish soap there is a more economical and versatile option.

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I am aware of the 5 gallon pails of SLS sold on Ebay.

Just always looking for an easy to grab locally, chlorine compatable soap. 



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