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Sorry guys I did not realize it was posted on the premium side. I do appreciate the critiques as we have started to make some short videos using Windows Movie Maker and find them to be of value in our efforts to educate our customers, and maybe others to the superiority of softwashing.
If it can be moved to the public side, great. I hope it helps all of us to educate the consumer so they stop shampooing roofs, and maybe save that for carpeting...
-- Edited by paroofguy on Sunday 2nd of September 2012 04:38:31 PM
I requested it moved to the premium side..............and here is why. I want to voice my opion on this video without offending Steve or for the public to see my comments. As I told Steve I think this video is a great video for showing the reasons " Not to rinse " I agree that the lichen has caused some damage to the shingle...but the rinsing is causeing even more damage. I also used to rinse roofs when I first started and would see such damage as I rinsed...it was tuff to switch to not rinsing but the overall improvement was fantatsic. Not only does the roof stay cleaner longer but even on a roof loaded with Lichen letting it sit and decay brings a huge differance in granuel loss. When we see the damage to the shingle after the lichen is rinsed in this video the majority of the damage is caused by the lichen being forced off with its grip still on the granuels. It is the rinse that is hurting this roof! I think its plain to see that in this video we are " helping and hurting " the roof at the same time. I would not run this video if I was Steve for that reason. I would take the sound out and put written messages in there as to why not to rinse " EVEN USING A GARDEN HOSE PRESSURE FORCES THE LICHEN OFF THE ROOF CAUSING UNNESSACARY GRANUEL LOSS " Just my thoughts.
Far too many customers think a dirty roof is only a cosmetic problem. I think this video may scare the chit out of them, and awake them to the dangers of allowing a roof to get really bad ?
Pat has a good point and I actually thought the same thing as I was watching this roof rinsed. The video is great in showing the lichen damage. The rinsing part could possibly be edited out. We never rinse a roof. A potential customer of mine may run accross this video and feel rinsing should be part of the job. They usually set their mindset with the first few pieces of information they come accross. I know when they came across R o o f shampoos website first when they start spewing off the alleged dangers of bleach. THis video actually may also be good to show why we dont rinse. I would hate to show your video on the premis of what NOT to do.
I am up in the air about this one. A minimal amount of lichen may come off because of rinsing but for the most part I believe the damage from the lichen is already done. When you have a home on a main highway and you want to stick your sign in the front yard. Of course your going to rinse it.
There is not a minimal amount of lichen coming off here Dan, it's all coming off. If you ever pick a piece of moss or lichen that has been blown off the roof or you rinsed off its got the granuels with it. Rinse all you want and like I said I have rinsed, I am only saying I believe the best treatment for a roof is not to rinse esp. with moss or lichen. Sure there is damage there from the lichen and sure you gotta stop it. But when you dont let it die and decompose and roll/blow off you might as well just power wash it. If that was my roof I wouldn't want you blow that stuff off, it is no doubt causing that damage. I have had roofs worse then that we all have.....and when they call and I give in and go back in six weeks and say its coming along fine hang in there I pass a couple weeks later and it has minimal granuel loss. I don't enjoy doing these roofs because you dont get instant results like rinsing, but on these roofs you gotta do it the right way no matter how you may appear when you leave. Non pressure roof cleaning is the way to go and that includes garden hose pressure in my book. In ten weeks that roof would look better then it does now, much of that granuel loss would not be there and at the end of the day thats what we want..................but like I said...thats just me.
I want to ask about this matter of allowing the lichen to die and release. Have you found it to be true that the shingle granuals will stay put?
I personally have found on roofs that I have set up as a demo, and allowed them to just dry out and eventually blow off or be rinsed off with rain, the granual loss was still there.
If i understand the biology of lichen moss fungus etc, it is living off the mineral content, so the black hole in the shingle is there because it was digested by the lichen.
Is that correct, or have I missed the boat on what it is living on?
My layperson explanation to our customers is that Gleocapsa Magma is living off the limestone filler, while the other infestation is living on the mineral content, ie, the shingles's color granules-- thus the bare spots left behind when it is eradicated.
-- Edited by paroofguy on Monday 3rd of September 2012 10:53:10 AM
Guys We are not offended in anyway with this discussion: I wholeheartedly agree with NOT rinsing roofs.
I did this small demo on a garage that was totally neglected for a long time, and I am not just referrring to the shingles.
You should have seen the "greenhouse" still hanging on the side of the structure. It is being demolished and hauled away due to extreme neglect.
I have found some folks just accept that ugly look and say it does not matter to them. So, we shot this segment to show the damage.
I believe most of us would say this roof has reached it's point of no return, and needs replaced.
I realized how bad this roof was when we rinsed it off and found the whole area with a missing shingle that was not even seen when we first sprayed the roof...
I will experiment more and document the reality of how much granule loss we caused with the garden hose rinsing.
Most of you guys have been doing roof cleaning a lot longer than us, and so we appreciate the guidance. My area has a shampooer in it, so I want to be consistent in our process and how we inform our neighbors of the value of softwashing.
This is the value of open respectful discussion on how we do business, so we arrive at a method that is consistent in all our markets.
New guys need to know we have a forum that we can expose our work & marketing ideas to without being attacked, so we can learn from the Masters.
Finally, Chris I am glad you were able to use the segment to educate consumers. This forum really can be in the forefront of this process, as long as it remains civil to it's members and legitimate guests.
I will rework the video and add the disclaimers on rinsing etc and maybe then it can be of greater value to the forum on the public side...
Serving the Pocono and Lehigh Valley(Carbon, Lehigh, Northampton, Monroe, Pike and Wayne Counties), PA community as well as both Warren and Sussex Counties of New Jersey
Good post all around Steve and I know you are not taking my post the wrong way. I have found obviously, depending on the severity of the moss and lichen there will always be granule loss caused by these " parasites ". It is in deed feeding on the lime stone but as far as " eating and digesting " the granules I really don't know. There is no doubt that the moss and Lichen are " dislodging the granules but how? They take such a hold onto the shingle is it the granules that they " latch onto " to " suck " out the limestone causing the granules to lose there hold? I don't know but this what I do know. I have cleaned roofs where you would have sworn someone power washed it previously, but that was not the case and I know that because of the number of times it has happened and the HO are pretty honest about it. So as I continued to learn I found that the moss and Lichen can " fall off " to the gutter or ground. On inspection I was amazed to see that the lichen is not a thin flat growth but actually an amazing " fat,thick" growth which is very deceiving to the HO from the ground. Of course on the bottom I find graules embeded in the Lichen. Why do they fall off? Does it die and fall off? I don't think so, because when I find the moss or lichen which had dislodged it seems to still be " alive " fresh so to say. So what happened? Did it have a " hold " on the granules " sucked out the limestone causing the granules to give way, causing it to lose its grip? On homes that I have returned to where the lichen and moss have been so heavy I find the following. It is obviously dead it is also hard,brittle and thick. I can easily remove it pretty much as a whole piece some granules are embeded but I am impressed in the overall condition of the shingle and minimal granule loss. I rinsed about one hundred and fifty or two hundred homes before I stopped so I am basing my findings on my experiance in " blasting " off lichen and moss. When I rinsed the lichen and moss it had no choice but to give way, same as if I used a power washer. Being forced off, the graules will go with it. Killing the lichen and moss, letting it decay and roll off definitely is leaving behind more granules. Now take into consideration no one will really notice granule loss from the ground no matter what you did unless it was really infested to where it maybe should have been replaced. "My layperson explanation to our customers is that Gleocapsa Magma is living off the limestone filler, while the other infestation is living on the mineral content, ie, the shingles's color granules-- thus the bare spots left behind when it is eradicated". There are many meanings for the word eradicated, one is to " tear up by the roots, to get rid of by the roots" " to tear out of the ground" is that what we are doing to the moss and Lichen? I don't think that is the definition you meant. The shingles and the granules have " color" to them, I have found that just heavy Gleocapsa Magma can remove the color from the granules giving the appearance of granules loss although the granules are indeed still there just color less.