The Roof Cleaning Institute Of America Training & Certification Forum
"Find A Certified Roof Cleaner Directory"

Hello Ron!

Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:

---

Something's wrong. There's no link attached to the big "Hi".

---

 I will tell you what is "wrong" There is NO link on the NCE Website to RCIA

Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 wrote:

---

Share the SEO with us Ron!

---

 No Shit ! We have links and even a sub forum for NCE here on RCIA, yet no link back from NCE to RCIA.

Hey John Brown, do you have an MSDS for this roof-a-cide product? Copper sulfate if I'm not mistaken?  I may be interested.  Or maybe send me a sample so I can try it?  I have a rental property with a small shed full of moss, gm, and lichens. 

RAC wrote:

---

RAC wrote:

---

Ron Musgraves wrote:

---

Just checking in to say hello everyone!!!!

 

HI!!!!

---

 

Hey Ron....

Is the PWNA still looking for Roof Cleaning experts? I'm not available, but I can recommend a couple of Roofing Professionals that have seen, first-hand, the damage caused by using pool chlorine the way that this organization (and AC Shyster) promotes.

 

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 on Monday 5th of September 2011 11:06:39 AM

---

I just noticed that some guy in Missouri is deleting all of the links I have posted to give people a little more education on roof cleaning.

He e-mailed me saying I have to become a premium member in order to post any hyperlinks.

When you, or the PWNA, does another Roof Cleaning class, maybe you should include a section on why the RCAI promotes and sells people on ARMA guidelines while none of them actually use them.

 

Search Apple Roof Cleaning' The END of ARMA"

propowerwash.com/board/upload/showthread.php?9051-STOP-Cleaning-Roofs-Everyone-!  

 

 

 

When you, or the PWNA, does another Roof Cleaning class, maybe you should include a section on why the RCAI promotes and sells people on ARMA guidelines while none of them actually use them.

---

 who does not use them? i follow them, Sometimes I have to beef it up sometimes I have to cut it down! why do you  say I dont use their guide lines?

I want one also,

 if there is a product that cant match what I use then I will use it, if it is cost effective.

Taken from PWI. I wanted to address it here as well. I dont have anything against Johns products. I got allot of strife over my convictions about not limiting the RCIA to one prefered method when I thought there were other viable methods out there. I feel we need to focus on cleaning the roof effectively without damage to the roof first as a priority.

I just thought his points needed some counter points. Not to turn this into a battle. I have been the target of many of those. Just as a matter of accuracy. I know MANY others here can make the same statments I have and should not be looked down upon as if they cant!

AC

 Originally Posted by RAC 

At the risk of pissing everyone off, I am going to try to clear up a couple of misconceptions so that new people – or those that want to learn what choices they have, aren’t misled by the comments of the 8 people that post virtually everything written on this BBS about Roof Cleaning. 

Here are some facts that are constantly ignored:

• ARMA does not manufacture Roofing Products. And the tech bulletin everyone refers to is only for asphalt shingles. It’s the same one they put out in 1980, with the exception of the added reference to algae resistant shingles.
  
  That tech bulletin is so good that they have stood behind it for YEARS!
   
• There are several roof materials manufacturers that have approved cleaning methods other than drenching a roof with chlorine. American Roof Brite, Roof Reviver, and Roof-A-Cide all have products that have been tested and approved by actual manufacturers of roof materials – but you won’t hear about these if you just contact ARMA, read their bulletin, or rely on BBS sites like this for all of your info & education. 
  
  John, actually my product was tested in ELK's lab by Randy Huges director of warranty claims and was judged safe for shingle roofs. Also we felt so strongly about our product that we stood behind it in writing for 5 years and even went the additional step of stating that if our chemicals and or process voided the manufacturers warranty that we would take over the warranty and honor the provisions of the warranty for the property owner. We never did nor have now any treatment program because our product was designed to last 5 years in Florida on a shingle roof.
   
• Everyone that has access to the Internet knows you can get a roof clean with $20.00 worth of pool bleach, but you would be hard pressed to find a Professional Roofer using it.
  
  The pool bleach is just a small part of the cost. John you know this! We are in the service business. The biggest cost is LABOR. Trying to make this a chemical cost battle is silly. We all know that chems are but a small part of the service and that advertising, facility, transportation, equipment and other costs are way more than just the silly bleach. Also in some parts of the country bleach is $3.00 a gallon. So that would make it $60.00 by your math. Our chemicals in the SoftWash System come out to be about .98 per gallon applied. On a 2,500 square foot house you would need about 40 gallons and that would be about $40.00, however I recommend to all my contractors that they sell the service for $200.00 an hour. That is because payroll is about 50 cents on the dollar and you want to make at least 20 cents profit. That leaves only 30 cents on the dollar for overhead of which bleach is not a large concern.
  
  Trust me Mallard Systems once used 30,000 gallons a month in sodium hypochlorite with a monthly gross revenue of $360,000.00. That was about 6% of the total overhead.
   
• Why? Because they know what it will do to the roof fixtures & underlayment – even though the salt content left behind on an asphalt shingle roof (that has been properly rinsed) is not going to do any damage to the shingles themselves.
  
  Roofs are made to shed water....chemicals....milk.... when a chemical is topically applied under professional guidelines NO damage is done to the roof, the nails, the underlament, the flashing, the drip edge, etc.
   
• Some insurance companies do require homeowners to get their roofs cleaned. Matt Hixon of Hixon Roof Renew in Little Rock, AR just did one last week. The insurance company was not going to renew the policy unless the Homeowner either had it cleaned or replaced. Give him a call & ask him.
  
  Also many banks will not put a new mortgage on a house unless it has at least 5 years of life left in it.
   
• While some companies do use scare tactics (and you’ll see A LOT of scare tactics if you look at the websites of the Contractors that post here), it is a fact that contractors throughout the country are looking for safer and more efficient ways to get a roof clean or keep it clean. They all know you can use bleach. They all know it’s cheap, effective, and relatively easy – but the other issues like employee safety, landscaping, property damage, and equipment damage are obviously more important to them.
  
  All of these damages are solved by adequate training, education and accountability. Even RAC products can cause damages when used outside of label instructions etc. Not to say RAC is any different from any other chemical. Every chemical and or process should be undertaken by a trained professional and used in accordance with label instructions.
   
• Roof-A-Cide is approved by GAF Materials and Monier LifeTile – two of the largest roof materials manufacturers in the US. Our products don’t contain any bleaches or sodium hydroxide and they have been used on over 100,000 roofs in 13 states over the last 10 years.
  
  Mallard Systems and TerraClean (who were the companies I owned and used to develop the SoftWash Systems line of products) were also approved by GAF and Monier LifeTile as well as Tamco, Elk, Celotec, Semans, Owens Corning, Durolast, Siplast, Decra, Fibertite and the list goes on!

Just wanted everyone to know (as one of the eight lol) I haven't ignored the facts (points) that John has brought up here. It also takes a proven business system to run a successful roof & exterior soft washing company. John your products are OK in my book. I think they are viable! There is more than one way to skin a cat. I just don't prefer the school of thought you evolved from. I do think your name doesn't speak well of your product. That was a marketing oops, but you seem to have done well despite it.

Above you mention that RAC has been used on over 100,000 roofs. What was your total dollar sales for that 100,000 roofs? What was your average roof? Just would be cool to compare notes.

Thanks,

AC