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It is nice to see some questions on an alternative to Bleach for cleaning.

For Instant gratification (clean today) it does need a high Volume rince (8 gal per min) at low pressure as not to damage Roof surfaces. Hot water Rig Works the Best as Our cleaner doubles in Strength every 20 degrees over 88 degrees F....... 

It is 100% safe for plants and animals, and have had contractors try to kill both with no success!!

We also have a Treat and walk away system that takes 30 - 60 days to remove, or install treatment after your Bleach wash and never use bleach again...

Sam Caniglia

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Office: 630.688.4341

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Hello Sam, too bad I missed you in Sarasota, Welcome to RCIA and bringing innovative methods for the guys here to check out. We do have guys that pw as well and some of those products may be of interest as well.

Talk soon,
Kim R

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This product was recently brought up in another thread here on RCIA. This product is most likely Sodium Percarbonate and is not an acceptable alternative to liquid hypo. Not even close.

Considering this stuff won't kill on it's own,...there isn't one advantage to this over liquid hypo,...not killing stuff isn't an advantage,..it just makes more dangerous work for the contractor because now they have to get up on the roof and rinse at close proximatey. If it can't be rinsed away with rainfall, then the product isn't very effective on it's own. I watched the videos on YouTube,..and they are not impressive at all compared to liquid hypo,..s****x just adds more time and less gratification to the job. These sodium percarbonate products aren't strong enough,..PERIOD!!

You're probably a nice guy,..but your product will never replace liquid hypo in effectiveness or ease of use,..therefore there isn't an advantage to using it.

We are all interested in getting away from liquid hypo,..and I am willing to listen to new ideas,..but sodium percarbonate based is an OLD idea.

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You had the contractors try to kill animals with simix, lol. Just thought it was a funny statement no offense given here.

I tried Simix once and I did not like the idea of using any type of pressure to rinse it off, like Jeff at Raystown said if it does not kill anything it won't kill Gleo Mag, or any other type of nuisance growth on homes or business' then it probably is not a good idea for a product.

It will take longer to clean which means profit loss, plus it requires the use of a pressure washer not to add insult here but a Hot Water PW at that which is the absolute worst for shingles at max since it heats up the asphalt more than cold water.

It takes a torrential rain to remove some granules which is normal, clean it at 100 psi you are removing a lot of granules any more pressure than that you are destroying the roof.

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I do apreciate all the Comments!!

Why does everyone think you have to kill, burn or take a chance on damaging surfaces or plants with Chemicals when you can use the laws of Chemistry And Physics to work for you!

Our OxiOne Mixture is very low % on the Percarbonate. There are 7 other proprietary parts of our cleaner that make it work, and no its not TSP

1) We Create a PH level that is outside the range of where Aglae, Mold, Bacteria and Virises Can grow. Thus the Living organism releases its roots as to get the deepest Clean possible. If they stay in that environment they will die!  And by the way we do have a confirmed Kill at 30 miniutes on bacteria, Viruses, Algae and Mold from 3rd Party Anti-Microbial lab in Texas.

2) After the roof is clean, or after you clean with your bleach ....our TiO2 Treatment when sprayed on a roof or any other exterior surface, when exposed to UV rays, Converts the Water vapor in the air  from H2O into H2O2 (hydrogen Peroxide)This in turn is keeping spores from growing. 

This treatment can also be sprayed on a algae and Mold covered surfaces and left to clean itself...may take 30 - 60 days, but once clean all your doing is spraying treatment on surface as a preventitive... this will last at least 3 years when applied to a clean roof and also can be sprayed every year if its the repete business you are looking for with no damage.... oh yeah cost for treatment is 7/10 of a penny per sq ft. Thats $21.00 for a 3000 sq ft roof...

This is a New technology that the rest of the world is starting to use beacuse it is a safe alternative. Monier lifetile and Alcoa to name a few! We have Been using it for over & years!

How many Jobs do you loose because you dont have a Bleach alternative?

Is it really safe for the roof to be Bleached over and over? Why not Bleach for the last time and use Simix TiO2 treatment from here on out...ever year or every 3 years.. and yes its cheaper than bleach.

 

  



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I didnt Tell them to try! LOL

 Both wanted to try on their own property before they went and did a project! He didnt want his fish pond any more and thought it would be a great way to get rid of the fish so he could remove the small pond!!!....Sorry, guess it did sound pretty funny!



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Yes,..but in the videos I'm seeing the rinsing being done with a wisking method,..not saying the low pressure and high flow bad for the roof,..but the point is,..it has to be rinsed this way,..with liquid hypo you can rinse from the ladder at the roof edge with a big nozzle and just raining it down on,..or don't rinse at all and it will still be acceptable,..and allow the rain to rinse it. 30-60 days is a hard sell,..although I have said before on here that marketed properly it could find a niche in the market for a "greener cleaner roof cleaning". But it's hard to even fool with when we are trying to use our existing "instant" service to provide income. Just don't see the benefits of the product over liquid hypo. Especially us northerners who work on a short season.

The benefit hypo offers is the bleaching of the GM,..the visual is as important as the killing to us and the customer. although your stuff may kill it over time,..I and my customers would be uneasy wondering. And getting up there and rinsing point blank isn't an option for most guys/gals here,.. I'm fairly certain,...especially when there's hypo.

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30- to 60 days is nearly impossible to sell, people want instant results. You can bill them when it is clean send me the money type deal but you may never get paid either. I will stick with the good stuff for now.

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This treatment can also be sprayed on a algae and Mold covered surfaces and left to clean itself...may take 30 - 60 days, but once clean all your doing is spraying treatment on surface as a preventitive... this will last at least 3 years when applied to a clean roof and also can be sprayed every year if its the repete business you are looking for with no damage.... oh yeah cost for treatment is 7/10 of a penny per sq ft. Thats $21.00 for a 3000 sq ft roof...

  


 

Sam,

On your site, I notice that a 5.4 lb tub of the product sells for $60. What is the square foot coverage of this tub when mixed per instructions (4 oz/gallon)?

I'm assuming that 4 ounces of the product would be about 1/3 of a pound and therefore you would get about 16 gallons of mix from the tub. At the stated application rate of 200 SF/gallon, 3200 square feet would be the approximate total coverage for the $60 tub.

This equates to about 1.875 cents per square foot....not including shipping.

Are there bulk rates available that lower the cost to 0.7 cents per square foot or is my assumption of 4 oz = 1/3 lb wrong?

We are interested in learning more about your product...just looking for a little clarification.

Thanks,

Dan



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16 oz===1 lb.

4 oz===1/4 lb  (not 1/3 lb.)

Go figure again.biggrinconfuse



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Since it is a powder, I assumed they are talking about 4 oz by volume, using a scoop or measuring cup. Not ounces by by weight since no one would be carrying around a scale to weigh out 4 ounces of the powder to add to their mix.

Most sodium percarbonate based products that I have seen weigh about 1 pound per 1.5 cups of product. One cup = 8 ounces...by volume, so 1 lb of the product = 12 ounces by volume. Which equates to 3 gallons of the mix per pound. So 5.4 pounds per tub x 3 gallons per pound is about 16.2 gallons of mix per $60 tub.

He does mention that OxiOne has a very low percentage of sodium percarbonate, so maybe his powder is heavier than 12 dry ounces per pound as well.

But, even if they are talking about ounces by weight (where 16 oz always = 1 lb), you would still only get 21.6 gallons of mix per $60 tub of the product. This would still equate to around 1.39 cents per square foot.

Either way...after re-reading Sam's post, I see that he is talking about the TiO2 treatment product being 7/10 of a cent per foot and not the initial cleaning product, OxiOne. I don't see pricing for the treatment product on his site, yet.

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Dan,

When cleaning and rinsing,  the 5.4 # container will make approx 18 gallons((@ 4 oz per gal) applied at 200 sq ft per gallon... the Web site pricing you see is for single items, Your price or contractor pricing is aprox $40 at local distributors or in case lots = $.011 cents per foot. If using Hot water to clean the coverage rated double so your cost could be 6/10th of a cent...

The treatment, either applied as a 3 year preventitive on a Clean roof, after Bleach or as a treat and leave is applied at this same rate or 6400 to 7200 sq ft per container (2 oz) powder plus a additive containing the TiO2. costs for this is under 7/10 of a cent.

Call any time!

Sam Caniglia

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Simix Surface Solutions

Office: 630.688.4341

Fax: 800-977-4649

http://www.simixsolutions.com

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Jeff,

Thanks again for your responses..... I totally understand your point.....Customers want to see instant Gratification and not all people want to get up on a roof to clean...

Keep us in mind as preventitive or on other surfaces besides Roofing.... Our Oxi can also be used on any other exterior and interior surface..

Best Regards! 

Sam Caniglia

National Sales Director

Simix Surface Solutions

Office: 630.688.4341

Fax: 800-977-4649

http://www.simixsolutions.com

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Thanks for your  response! {Please Keep us in mind as preventitive after the Hypo or on other surfaces besides Roofing.... Our Oxi can also be used on any other exterior and interior surface..

Best Regards!

Sam Caniglia

National Sales Director

Simix Surface Solutions

Office: 630.688.4341

Fax: 800-977-4649

http://www.simixsolutions.com

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Thanks for your  response! {Please Keep us in mind as preventitive after the Hypo or on other surfaces besides Roofing.... Our Oxi can also be used on any other exterior and interior surface..

Best Regards!

Sam Caniglia

National Sales Director

Simix Surface Solutions

Office: 630.688.4341

Fax: 800-977-4649

http://www.simixsolutions.com

sam@simixsolutions.com

 


 Hello Sam, I am Chuck Bergman and I've been a member of RCIA since about it's beginning. I am 63 years old and run a father and son business. I started in business in 1978 Painting and Pressure washing in Ithaca,NY

In 1988 I moved to Charlotte County Florida and since 1989 have been a licensed pressure washing contractor here. In 1991 I started cleaning roofs without pressure, using chlorine. I would love to find a product that actually works and that could be marketed as "GREEN"

I occasionally do roofs for free for poor people-usually very old people.

I have one old lady on my street with an algae infested shingled roof. It's not terribly black, but it's fairly equally blackened.

If you would care to send me the amount of your products needed to care for her roof I will report here on RCIA what I think of your products, if I like them. If not, I won't "bring up the subject"

I would of course answer anyone who asked me, after the time had passed that the product was finished working.

I will follow your instructions and do a video and use before and after photos.

So, if you would like a free "on the job test" here in SW Florida and would like to help this 92 year old lady to boot, just say the word! If it works, I will be your free advertiser here at RCIA.

My address is:

Chuck Bergman

5282 Johnson Terrace

Port Charlotte,Florida

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-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 29th of August 2011 08:00:51 AM

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Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Simix Solutions wrote:

Thanks for your  response! {Please Keep us in mind as preventitive after the Hypo or on other surfaces besides Roofing.... Our Oxi can also be used on any other exterior and interior surface..

Best Regards!

Sam Caniglia

National Sales Director

Simix Surface Solutions

Office: 630.688.4341

Fax: 800-977-4649

http://www.simixsolutions.com

sam@simixsolutions.com

 


 Hello Sam, I am Chuck Bergman and I've been a member of RCIA since about it's beginning. I am 63 years old and run a father and son business. I started in business in 1978 Painting and Pressure washing in Ithaca,NY

In 1988 I moved to Charlotte County Florida and since 1989 have been a licensed pressure washing contractor here. In 1991 I started cleaning roofs without pressure, using chlorine. I would love to find a product that actually works and that could be marketed as "GREEN"

I occasionally do roofs for free for poor people-usually very old people.

I have one old lady on my street with an algae infested shingled roof. It's not terribly black, but it's fairly equally blackened.

If you would care to send me the amount of your products needed to care for her roof I will report here on RCIA what I think of your products, if I like them. If not, I won't "bring up the subject"

I would of course answer anyone who asked me, after the time had passed that the product was finished working.

I will follow your instructions and do a video and use before and after photos.

So, if you would like a free "on the job test" here in SW Florida and would like to help this 92 year old lady to boot, just say the word! If it works, I will be your free advertiser here at RCIA.

My address is:

Chuck Bergman

5282 Johnson Terrace

Port Charlotte,Florida

33981



-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 29th of August 2011 08:00:51 AM


 

Chuck - this thread sure went quite huh?     I wish this gentleman would have taken you up on your offer for an unbiased assesment by a pro.

We've experimented with several 'store bought' solutions, and all have been very disappointing.  (No surprise).   And we've done countless jobs where the home owners has tried some pre-packaged product to no avail.  



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Roof Cleaning Northern Virginia (571) 250 9650 wrote:
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
Simix Solutions wrote:

Thanks for your  response! {Please Keep us in mind as preventitive after the Hypo or on other surfaces besides Roofing.... Our Oxi can also be used on any other exterior and interior surface..

Best Regards!

Sam Caniglia

National Sales Director

Simix Surface Solutions

Office: 630.688.4341

Fax: 800-977-4649

http://www.simixsolutions.com

sam@simixsolutions.com

 


 Hello Sam, I am Chuck Bergman and I've been a member of RCIA since about it's beginning. I am 63 years old and run a father and son business. I started in business in 1978 Painting and Pressure washing in Ithaca,NY

In 1988 I moved to Charlotte County Florida and since 1989 have been a licensed pressure washing contractor here. In 1991 I started cleaning roofs without pressure, using chlorine. I would love to find a product that actually works and that could be marketed as "GREEN"

I occasionally do roofs for free for poor people-usually very old people.

I have one old lady on my street with an algae infested shingled roof. It's not terribly black, but it's fairly equally blackened.

If you would care to send me the amount of your products needed to care for her roof I will report here on RCIA what I think of your products, if I like them. If not, I won't "bring up the subject"

I would of course answer anyone who asked me, after the time had passed that the product was finished working.

I will follow your instructions and do a video and use before and after photos.

So, if you would like a free "on the job test" here in SW Florida and would like to help this 92 year old lady to boot, just say the word! If it works, I will be your free advertiser here at RCIA.

My address is:

Chuck Bergman

5282 Johnson Terrace

Port Charlotte,Florida

33981



-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Monday 29th of August 2011 08:00:51 AM


 

Chuck - this thread sure went quite huh?     I wish this gentleman would have taken you up on your offer for an unbiased assesment by a pro.

We've experimented with several 'store bought' solutions, and all have been very disappointing.  (No surprise).   And we've done countless jobs where the home owners has tried some pre-packaged product to no avail.  


Hi Ted,

No offence meant to him, but:

I believe these type of products make their $ by selling them to homeowners, or us if possible, to "TRY"

Most people will not demand a refund.

Probably if a refund was demanded, there would be some back and forth calls to be made to get your $ back and most would just give up.

Do that thousands of times and you have your profit.

If he had sent me a sample to try, I think he knows it wouldn't be something a professional roof cleaner could use.

You and I and lots of others here, have tried these new products, with poor, poor results.

Nothing you can ever sell a homeowner on, if you cared to try.

Like you said "He went quiet" as soon as proof time came around.

It's not anything against him in particular, all these "Spray and Regret" type products, rely on the same $ making method-sell it and beat around the bush with questioning a user, if they complain-maybe sell them more for a 2nd coat.

I don't care what anyone says [well, most anyone smile] if it can't hurt a plant or fish, it ain't gonna hurt roof alge either.

In the case of these products, it's just pressure cleaning roofs, under a different guise.

You could spray laundry detergent up there and pressure clean it!

Especially with HOT WATER!!!

With hot water, you can kiss 1/3 of your granules goodbye!

This is just my personal opinion-based on 23 years of experience in Pressure Washing and 21 years of Soft-Washing.



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