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al9226 wrote:

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Very good point.

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 Very very  good point,

garyw wrote:

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Is this what everyone wants?  Could, should, can are pretty meaningless words in this type document

41.Members shall be required to attend a "First Aid and CPR" class taught by and documented at their local AmericanRedCrossCenter or some other qualified training center, such as police or EMS facilities.. Once the class is successfully completed documentation shall be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

42.Members shall be required to attend a "ladder safety and inspection" class. Once the class is successfully completed documentation shall be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

REVISED

41.Members should be required to attend a "First Aid and CPR" class taught by and documented at their local AmericanRedCrossCenter or some other qualified training center, such as police or EMS facilities.. Once the class is successfully completed documentation could be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

42.Members could be required to attend a "ladder safety and inspection" class. Once the class is successfully completed documentation should be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

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41.Members are recommended to attend a "First Aid and CPR" class taught by and documented at their local AmericanRedCrossCenter or some other qualified training center, such as police or EMS facilities.. Once the class is successfully completed documentation should be provided to the RCIA certification committee

42.Members are recommended to attend a "ladder safety and inspection" class. Once the class is successfully completed documentation should be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

 

garyw wrote:

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Is this what everyone wants?  Could, should, can are pretty meaningless words in this type document

41.Members shall be required to attend a "First Aid and CPR" class taught by and documented at their local AmericanRedCrossCenter or some other qualified training center, such as police or EMS facilities.. Once the class is successfully completed documentation shall be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

42.Members shall be required to attend a "ladder safety and inspection" class. Once the class is successfully completed documentation shall be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

REVISED

41.Members should be required to attend a "First Aid and CPR" class taught by and documented at their local AmericanRedCrossCenter or some other qualified training center, such as police or EMS facilities.. Once the class is successfully completed documentation could be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

42.Members could be required to attend a "ladder safety and inspection" class. Once the class is successfully completed documentation should be provided to the RCIA certification committee.

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When it comes to certification I would not want the requirements to be meaningless.  So Gary I'm with you and others who believe that certification should be something meaningful and requires effort to achieve.

Using the two examples you posted let me try to explain how our thinking does differ.

Let me take item 42 first.  I use a ladder on every roof cleaning job I do.  Therefore understanding how to use a ladder and how to determine if a ladder is safe for use is important to me and my employees.  Demonstrating an understanding of ladder use & safety should be a certification requirement.  We are in total agreement.

Item 41.  To obtain certification I would be required to take a First Aid & CPR class.  Knowing first aid & CPR does not determine my ability to properly and safety clean a roof.  Therefore, in my opinion Item 41 should not be a requirement of certification.  Don't get me wrong.  I have nothing against people getting first aid and CPR training.  I just don't think it's germane to knowing how to properly clean a roof.

So I'm back to where I started.  There is no need for 50 points in a roof cleaning certification.  Make the document smaller and less complicated by taking out the items that don't relate to roof cleaning.

The items that are taken out and can be placed in another document where RCIA makes recommendations to it's members.  These items, like first aid & CPR, would be just that, recommentaions and not requirements.

Charles

Good discussion. We are listening. 

garyw wrote:

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Yes, we are listening, and a lot of good info is coming out. selective wording may be the key. I still think a lot of you guys need to read this and figure out what could be deleted and still leave you & your business in compliance.



http://www.osha.gov/Publications/osha2254.pdf
This has nothing to do with rules, requirements or regulations proposed by RCIA. This is your Federal Government talking to you.

Another thing that concerns me, is the info coming out now is coming from a select few that have been active in this topic from the start. We work several more weeks putting all the refinements into the document, and here comes the rest of the people that promoted the downfall of the vote and tears it apart again. Where are they now? Don't they have an opinion or input as to what they want?
Gary

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I certainly have opinions/input, and that should be of no surprise to any on this forum.  Yet it seems that when I express said opinions, I'm taken out of context any time I don't fall in line with the status quo.  Oh yes, and the moderators 'file' on me continues to grow as a result.    A "yes man", I am not, nor never will be.

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

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I think it is time to break it all down line by line, then vote each line, not discussed! just voted on.

Being there are different points that are not agreed upon for individual reasons. Some may pass easily, that could give us the start to work on the points that are conflicting.
That way we can cross off the points that are voted in. Then the ones that do not pass the vote those can be rearranged, debated etc. then voted for a final.
Do I have a Yay ?
Kim R

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  I say no.  No one point is that horrible;  but all of them added together is way too much. 

 

Tom,
While it may be too many points, can we at least get to the point of "some" of points that can be agreed on by the majority? That is what I was shooting for, to weed out the the ones that have a majority Yay vote,
Kim R
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Members,
There has to be a starting point? No? - If not then please someone step up to the plate and re-write this or write what your idea of a 50-40-30-20-10? point system should include.
Actually I think someone had suggested a varying level of certifications, now that might allow everyone to gain certifications on what ever level that would work for them.
Kim R

Howdy all, sorry I've been away from the forum and not communicating, but have been down with a nasty bout of pneumonia and some other health issues over Christmas. Finally able to hold my head up off the pillow today, so thought I'd chime in.

I was able to vote on the rules and I voted "no", here's part of my reasoning: I did not care for the inference that a particular type system be used. There were references to tip types, and a requirement that "members meet all subparts of this section" In ten years of roof cleaning, I have never used a tip. My delivery system is via electric pump and garden style spray trigger gun.

This requirement could preclude me & my current system from being a member.

Otherwise I like the parts about professionalism, safety, and continuing education.

My hat is off to AC and everyone who spent their valuable time working on these standards. Thank you.