This one will require all to pay attention, for once and for all, we are going to put a stop to this 3/8 hose idea. Just because shurflo put a 3/8 hose fitting on some of it's pumps means little. The engineers never intended a low psi pump to be connected to 200 feet of 3/8 hose! Lets take a 45 psi 3.6 gpm shurflo, and take a look at what happens,and how much we lose by crippling our pump with 3/8 hose, OK ? "
The Fluid Flow Calculator
This is your input: fluid: 10 % solution fluid temp F: 40F flow rate GPM: 3.6 pipe size in: 3/8 pipe length ft: 200.00 pipe material: C These are the results: velocity ft per second: 6.0462 Reynold's Number: 11699.0414 friction factor fa: 0.0300 friction factor f: 0.0298 head loss ft: 82.3780 pressure loss psi: 36.2326
"As can clearly be seen, we have just pissed away 36 psi, and we only had 45 to start with! This is the penalty you pay using 200 feet of 3/8 hose. Oh, BTW, this is being "kind', for these calculations assume PIPE! Coiled hose has even more loss!"
"Now, look below, and see what happens when we switch to 3/4 hose ? " And, this is for a small 3.6 GPM pump too. It gets even worse as GPM is increased.
The Fluid Flow Calculator
This is your input: fluid: 10 % solution fluid temp F: 40F flow rate GPM: 3.6 pipe size in: 3/4 pipe length ft: 200.00 pipe material: C These are the results: velocity ft per second: 2.1703 Reynold's Number: 7009.1924 friction factor fa: 0.0343 friction factor f: 0.0341 head loss ft: 7.2616 pressure loss psi: 3.1939
It can clearly be seen that our pressure loss is only 3 PSI using 3/4 hose, compared to 36 PSI using 3/8 hose! Unfortunately, the hose loss calculator is a free program, and does not have the 5/8 hose selection we recommend as an option, so I had to use 3/4 to make my point. Bigger hose is better, and it is always better. There is no "debate" You may be a wuss, and not be able to handle bigger hose, or want to cheap out on buying the large hose reel required to use bigger hose, and that's ok. Or, you may simply not have the room on your rig ? All fine and good. You may not consider the performance improvements going from 1/2 inch hose to 5/8 worthwhile, that's ok too. We do, because if larger hose speeds an average job up by 15 minutes, it cuts our exposure to the roof cleaning chemicals down. It also makes our pump have an easier life.
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
This one will require all to pay attention, for once and for all, we are going to put a stop to this 3/8 hose idea.It also makes our pump have an easier life.
Once I get the rest of my components for Lori @ PWP I am going to put the 5/8" hose vs 1/2" hose to rest in my mind. I have installed 2 All-Flo & 1 Fat Boy pumps on my trailer. (That is what I mean by redundancy) I have 200' 5/8" hose installed and have another 200' of 1/2" hose to test against it. I am going to look at what the fan pattern looks like between different nozzles, distance, & height that it will shoot with each hose.
I agree that it will make your pump have an easier life. But if it does not perform significantly better is it worth it? Pumps are expendable items.
Let us know what the differences are for fan width, how fast you empty a certain amount with each size hose and how far you can shoot up or out with each different size hose.
Great info guys, Thanks!
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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
This one will require all to pay attention, for once and for all, we are going to put a stop to this 3/8 hose idea.It also makes our pump have an easier life.
Once I get the rest of my components for Lori @ PWP I am going to put the 5/8" hose vs 1/2" hose to rest in my mind. I have installed 2 All-Flo & 1 Fat Boy pumps on my trailer. (That is what I mean by redundancy) I have 200' 5/8" hose installed and have another 200' of 1/2" hose to test against it. I am going to look at what the fan pattern looks like between different nozzles, distance, & height that it will shoot with each hose.
I agree that it will make your pump have an easier life. But if it does not perform significantly better is it worth it? Pumps are expendable items.
We certainly encourage experimentation Marcus. The old stopwatch and a 5 gallon bucket works great for this test. Leave the hoses ON the reel for the test, remove everything from the hose end going in the bucket, and be sure to hold the hose OUT of the bucket as you time it. High GPM pump can fill a 5 gallon bucket up fast. In that case, just do it for 30 seconds, and double the results to find GPM.
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
This one will require all to pay attention, for once and for all, we are going to put a stop to this 3/8 hose idea.It also makes our pump have an easier life.
Once I get the rest of my components for Lori @ PWP I am going to put the 5/8" hose vs 1/2" hose to rest in my mind. I have installed 2 All-Flo & 1 Fat Boy pumps on my trailer. (That is what I mean by redundancy) I have 200' 5/8" hose installed and have another 200' of 1/2" hose to test against it. I am going to look at what the fan pattern looks like between different nozzles, distance, & height that it will shoot with each hose.
I agree that it will make your pump have an easier life. But if it does not perform significantly better is it worth it? Pumps are expendable items.
We certainly encourage experimentation Marcus. The old stopwatch and a 5 gallon bucket works great for this test. Leave the hoses ON the reel for the test, remove everything from the hose end going in the bucket, and be sure to hold the hose OUT of the bucket as you time it. High GPM pump can fill a 5 gallon bucket up fast. In that case, just do it for 30 seconds, and double the results to find GPM.
Just trying to follow your logic Chris. From what I read of your post I assume that you are talking about only comparing flow rates of the 2 hoses. Is that correct? Why do you want to test with the hoses on the reel when in a real life scenario they are most likely off? When on the reel the hoses tend to flaten out.
Even with a 1/2 in hose the diagphram pumps will overheat. Best to go with the allflow. You'll never look back
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