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Some of you may considering a new or upgraded tank purchase for Sodium Hypochlorite Storage.

This chemical is known to prematurely breakdown and prematurely cause damage to ordinary POLY type storage tanks over time.

Also the DOT has regulations that may affect you depending on your states chemical transportation laws.

Here are the links to the chemical composition of the proper storage tank needed to transport and store "The LOVE" safely and appropriately.

Check with your particular state and DOT for individual additional requirements.

Hope this helps.

David W.


http://www.snydernet.com/_pdf/_industrial/_misc/Chemical%20Resistance%20Chart.pdf


Also go to Snyder manufacturing's TECHNICAL SUPPORT section and look for these PDF files for IMPORTANT review of SH Chemical Storage and Transport Tank Info.

Here is the LINK for TECHNICAL SUPPORT

http://www.snydernet.com/industrial_tanks_snyder.htm#Industrial_Literature

Look under these headings:

1. Sodium Hypochlorite Tank Fact Sheet: PDF file

2. Sodium Hypochlorite UV Protection: PDF file



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thanks for the information.

David did you ever get my E-mail?

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juarez1981 wrote:

thanks for the information.

David did you ever get my E-mail?



Yes I did Ivan. Thanks for your follow up and participation on the board.

 

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Hello everyone.  My name is David Shaw and I been a member of this forum for a couple of weeks now. I appreciate everyones input and sharing of their knowledge to all the newbies out there.

My work background was in the overnight delivery business (28 years) so I have concerns and questions regarding the transportation of Sodium Hypochorite on your vechiles and trailers.  I know if you are buying in bulk, say a 55 gal drum from either a manufacturer or vendor, that drum will  have a corrosive label on it. The vehicle that is transporting to your door or if you pick it up will and should have corrosive placards if the weight of the materials exceeds 1001 lbs.  Also the driver of that vechicle will have to have documentation stating that he is hauling a corrosive material within his reach while driving and if the driver has left his vehicle then the documents much be on the drivers seat and visible to anyone  in case of an emergency. Also everyone needs to have an Emergency Response Guide on there vehicle.

The Emergency Response Guide has valuable info for anyone who is hauling hazardous materials, anywhere from looking up UN numbers and corresponding chemical names to emergency phone number contacts.

My question to anyone that can answer is this, if you are mixing the SHC with water and the other components of the Apple Sauce or Apple Cider, are you placarding your vehicles and is it necessary?

Because I worked for a company that had their fleet of aircraft we where heavily regulated by Homeland Security, FAA, TSA and DOT.  They can and will impose heavy fines for incidents and non-compliance of the law.  There is no excuse for being ignorant of the law.

I have an associate that I will try to contact that is an expert in the packaging and documentation of hazardous materials, I'll ask him for his advise.

Anyone who can share their thoughts on this is appreciated.



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I buy from Univar and pick up two 53 gallon drums at a time, which weigh less than 1000 lbs. I order 4-5 drums at a time and make two or three trips. No CDL or Hazmat Certifications for less than 1000 lbs.

I need to get a CDL with Hazmat certifications so I can pick up more and save myself time and fuel.

Hazmat placards are only needed if you are carrying more than 1000 lbs.

Univar will not deliver to residential locations, only commercial.

My Apple Cider Sauce mixes are way less than 1000 lbs. so no Hazmat placards are needed.

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Mike,

Thanks for your reply.  With my previous employer, as an over the road and air carrier, when a courier had to pickup a hazardous materials shipment the shipper had to present documentation for transportation by road, air, sea or whatever. We would be carrying this material on US highways.

The packaging in this case the chemical tank, should comply with the DOT for that particular hazardous material and has to have the appropriate markings and labeling?  I saw on another forum that a roof cleaning contractor had his small chemical tank labeled with a corrosive sticker. So do you think that it is necessary to carry the MSDS and any other documents on board your vechicle while you are still transporting a corrosive? I'm just considering what might happen if a roof cleaner with corrosive materials on his vehicle was involved in a wreck and had a spill.  The first thing that a state trooper and police office is going to ask is if you are carrying any hazardous materials.

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I'm not sure about diluted mixtures of 12.5%

Our roof mix is about 4%, so I'm not sure if that percentage qualifies as Hazmat.

Yes, I carry the MSDS to be safe.

Let us know what you find out when you ask about the placards.  I'm interested to know about the gallon limits of diluted concentrations of 12.5%


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Shawdawg wrote:

Hello everyone.  My name is David Shaw and I been a member of this forum for a couple of weeks now. I appreciate everyones input and sharing of their knowledge to all the newbies out there.

My work background was in the overnight delivery business (28 years) so I have concerns and questions regarding the transportation of Sodium Hypochorite on your vechiles and trailers.  I know if you are buying in bulk, say a 55 gal drum from either a manufacturer or vendor, that drum will  have a corrosive label on it. The vehicle that is transporting to your door or if you pick it up will and should have corrosive placards if the weight of the materials exceeds 1001 lbs.  Also the driver of that vechicle will have to have documentation stating that he is hauling a corrosive material within his reach while driving and if the driver has left his vehicle then the documents much be on the drivers seat and visible to anyone  in case of an emergency. Also everyone needs to have an Emergency Response Guide on there vehicle.

The Emergency Response Guide has valuable info for anyone who is hauling hazardous materials, anywhere from looking up UN numbers and corresponding chemical names to emergency phone number contacts.

My question to anyone that can answer is this, if you are mixing the SHC with water and the other components of the Apple Sauce or Apple Cider, are you placarding your vehicles and is it necessary?

Because I worked for a company that had their fleet of aircraft we where heavily regulated by Homeland Security, FAA, TSA and DOT.  They can and will impose heavy fines for incidents and non-compliance of the law.  There is no excuse for being ignorant of the law.

I have an associate that I will try to contact that is an expert in the packaging and documentation of hazardous materials, I'll ask him for his advise.

Anyone who can share their thoughts on this is appreciated.


Welcome David to the RCIA!

Thank for your post. This is an important topic and needs to be addressed.

Currently many of us are not placarding our rigs and I need to also get on this topic and address it for the Georgia market to be sure that others will also be compliant.

I am also needing to get more information and realize that you have expertise in this area.

We all would greatly appreciate your insight and knowledge regarding safe transport and proper material handling techniques.

Please feel free to post away on the topic.

Thanks for being a part of RCIA

Respectfully,

David W.

 



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Mike,

What ever the ruling is about placarding will apply to all 50 states since the DOT is a federal governing agency of the United States, applying to any and all forms of transporation of hazardous materials via roadways, rail and air.

I'll keep everyone posted as soon as I can make contact with my haz-mat expert here in Houston.



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To everyone,

I just got off the phone with my haz-mat expert and he said that hauling Sodium Hypochlorite for roof cleaning probably falls under the catagory of "Materials of Trade".

http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHMSA/DownloadableFiles/Files/mots05.pdf
http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/hazmat

He has suggested to everyone that they make copies of this pdf file and carry on your vehicles along with the MSDS and having an Emergency Response Guide is a good idea. Just in case you get pulled over or involved in an accidcent you have CYA. He also gave me the name and phone number of a company in Houston, Texas Oil Tech Laboratories, that will accept a small sample for testing to verify if it is still considered to be a hazardous material. Since I'm not up and running as a company yet I'll have to wait on the this.

For you guys buying in SHC in bulk, if you are picking up more than 1000 lbs you need to placard your vechile and regardless of the quantity you buy the vendor should be giving you a bill of lading along with some documentation stating that you are carrying haz-mat.

I hope that this has been helpful to all.

David Shaw



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From what i read on the one PDF it states that you can not carry more than 440 lbs on one vehicle under MOT ,is that at its full strenght or diluted mixture ? by the few examples we may fall under bleaching compounds.

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To everyone,

I just got off the phone with my haz-mat expert and he said that hauling Sodium Hypochlorite for roof cleaning probably falls under the catagory of "Materials of Trade".

http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHMSA/DownloadableFiles/Files/mots05.pdf
http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/hazmat

He has suggested to everyone that they make copies of this pdf file and carry on your vehicles along with the MSDS and having an Emergency Response Guide is a good idea. Just in case you get pulled over or involved in an accidcent you have CYA. He also gave me the name and phone number of a company in Houston, Texas Oil Tech Laboratories, that will accept a small sample for testing to verify if it is still considered to be a hazardous material. Since I'm not up and running as a company yet I'll have to wait on the this.

For you guys buying in SHC in bulk, if you are picking up more than 1000 lbs you need to placard your vechile and regardless of the quantity you buy the vendor should be giving you a bill of lading along with some documentation stating that you are carrying haz-mat.

I hope that this has been helpful to all.

David Shaw



-- Edited by Shawdawg at 15:51, 2009-03-02

 


Good Going David Shaw (Shawdawg)!

I personally applaud you, David. Your efforts are noticed and appreciated.

I give you two thumbs up biggrin.

Within just 8 posts you have ALREADY been of genuine benefit to all by sharing this valuable info.

Amazingly, you are ALREADY digging in your heels here on the forum and helping others in your previous area of expertise.

biggrin If I could give a Roof Cleaning Newbie of the day award it would go to YOU! biggrin

Thank You for helping others and giving to this board.

David W.



-- Edited by Roof Clean USA at 04:28, 2009-03-03

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Dave and Mike,

Thanks for your kind and helpful words. I think that it is important for everyone regardless if they are veterans or newbies to educate themselves about the chemicals they are handling. As professionals or aspiring  professionals, we all should be involved in protected ourselves, others and the environment.

I think that we all have something to contribute. Our country sure would be better off if we all gave more of ourselves and stop trying to take more than we are due. I know I have been guilty of the later.

I really appreciate all the veteran roof cleaners who have shared their successes and failures with the newbies.
You guys and gals "rock"!

I look forward to posting more questions and hopefully I will have something to give back.

Shawdawg

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Thanks Shawdawg, that's very helpful.

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Awesome research David !!!!

As far as I know (at least in MD) we have to have the MSDS sheets for all our chemicals available at all times for our customers and employess.  Thanks for this work Dave.  This is invaluable information.

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Mike,

Just being curious, how are you getting those 55 gal drums off of your truck or trailer, where are you storing (your residence or commercial address) and how are you transfering the SHC from your 55 gal drum to your tank?

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Bill,

You're correct, the MSDS should be available to everyone regardless of which state.....great post.

Shawdawg

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Can we get the MSDS printout from our suppliers? Or are they on a website somewhere?

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You need to get your MSDS from your supplier. They will print it out for you and have you sign documentaion that you received it. They too must comply with the laws. You signing the documentation shows that you ARE aware of what you are hauling.

As far as all other compounds you may have on board, you must have MSDS of those as well. Just keep a running log and within reach.

I have contacted DOT based in Orlando and trying to work with them to get better input.

It does not matter the concentration, what matters is what is in the tank and how much you can carry.

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Hello David and welcome to RCIA.  If you ever have any local questions feel free to give a shout as I just live down the road from you in Katy.  I see that we are the same age...   lol  Never to old to learn new tricks.  Thanks for the excellent post that you just shared with us.

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